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Old 05-21-2020, 01:09 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Miami will gain about 30,000 new residents.
Miami dropped nearly 3000 to 467,963. This one is going to be interesting for the actual Census. So much of Miami's housing is second or third homes in all those towers, and the % of immigrants is high. With the growing anti-immigrant narrative in the country's policies, I suspect that Census participation will be low. There are just too many variables in Miami's context.
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Old 05-21-2020, 01:11 PM
 
Location: West Seattle
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San Francisco gained 6528 from 2016-17, 2656 from 2017-18, and only 859 from 2018-19. Good chance it is losing population in real-time.

Largest numerical declines in California:

Paradise (-22235 !!! - pop. down 83% in past year)
San Jose (-6225)
Long Beach (-3237)
San Buenaventura (-1625)
Glendale (-1385)
Petaluma (-1306)
Torrance (-1114)
Palmdale (-1079)
Lancaster (-1021)
Malibu (-937)
Huntington Beach (-903)
San Leandro (-898)
Palo Alto (-894)
Inglewood (-887)
West Covina (-863)
Norwalk (-849)
Burbank (-838)
Napa (-816)
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Old 05-21-2020, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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I wish there was someway you could break up and see parts of a population inside a city limits. For example, I wish we could see the inner loop population of Houston or inner loop 12 population of Dallas. These are the two I'm more interested in than the entire population of these respective cities.
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Old 05-21-2020, 01:21 PM
 
Location: West Seattle
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Seattle's growth is slowing down too: 19430 from 2016-17, 13574 from 2017-18, and 11440 from 2018-19. Population decline in a few years would not be surprising.

Some of our inner-ring suburbs are currently losing population, which are among the bigger numerical declines in the state:

Federal Way (-437)
Auburn (-325)
Burien (-321)
Mill Creek (-80)
SeaTac (-77)
Renton (-36)
Normandy Park (-33)
Mountlake Terrace (-30)
Edmonds (-20)
Lake Forest Park (-17)
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Old 05-21-2020, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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2019 estimates are out:

Atlanta surpasses 500k mark:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...rgia/PST045219
Boston lost about 2,000 people. After years of slowing growth what I predicted would happen happens. Boston’s at 692,600 down from 694,583. My guess is families are leaving and not enough yuppies.

I used to say this more years ago but the city needs to offer more amenities and more liveliness throughout the city. The price doesn’t match what the city offfers-and it’s a great city. Word is out about Philly. Word is out that you can live in NYC for as much or less than Boston. And as long as DC resident make more money and pay less for housing Boston will fall behind.

The state is in the way, mostly. The antiquated liquor license cap makes licenses only available when another restaurant fails and shut down and then they sell that license for upwards of $500k. This keeps all restaurant concentrated in wealthy areas where ROI is most likely or in Cambridge where there is no cap on liquor licenses. It also means the restaurant scene is de facto cannibalistic as opposed to synergistic. In recent years the city has provided free non transferable licenses to outer neighborhoods and minority neighborhoods. The state ban in happy hour doesn’t help either. This makes it harder to build hip and trendy neighborhoods or develop a new neighborhood culture that isn’t based in parochialism.

The city needs to continue its affordable housing efforts which are truly remarkable. But here again, the state fails. The state stymies affordable housing production in the suburbs by allowing local control to run rampant. They buckle to the suburban homeowners who want to protect their homes values and want to see endless property appreciation, they’re represented by the Massachusetts Municipal Association and they ensure that all legislation filed to allow faster development of multi family and affordable housing never sees action. Even if it introduced by the governor. This goes beyond housing and into entertainment and retail which is scant Or nonexistent in many Boston suburbs-this makes for expensive dull suburbs that young people can’t and don’t want to access. As a result, this drives up prices even further in the core urban area.
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Old 05-21-2020, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Boston, Cambridge, Chelsea, Somerville combined lost about 4,000 people y/y.

I think this is more of an adjustment than an actual population loss. It’s probably likely Boston just didn’t have 694,000 people in 2018 than it actually lost population.

Detroit lost 3,000, Pittsburgh lost 1,000. Cleveland lost 2,500.

Buffalo lost only 800 or so.

Providence gained about 1000 residents and is closing in on 10,000 ppsm.
What makes you say that about Boston? There’s no indication that would be the case. 2018 was in trend with all the years before it.

Both Massachusetts and Boston have seen consistently slowing population growth since ~2016. I predicted last year both would start to lose population by 2020
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Old 05-21-2020, 01:46 PM
 
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What makes you say that about Boston? There’s no indication that would be the case. 2018 was in trend with all the years before it.

Both Massachusetts and Boston have seen consistently slowing population growth since ~2016. I predicted last year both would start to lose population by 2020
Because the same thing happened last decade with the 2009 estimates having 655,000 people in the city then the Census came to town and said it was 617,000.

I think Boston’s large transient class (both Immigrants and Students/yuppies) makes it hard to pin down which is with Detroit (which has an enormous economic shock) and Atlanta had the largest errors from estimate to census in 2010.

I think NYC/NYS is in a similar boat. I don’t think it actually lost 72,000 people in a single year.

I haven’t seen the revised estimate for Boston proper but Massachusetts’s 2018 estimate was revised town like 26,000 from its initial estimate

In general I think looking over 3-4 years I’d probably a better bet than looking year over year which seems to have quirks.
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Old 05-21-2020, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Seattle's growth is slowing down too: 19430 from 2016-17, 13574 from 2017-18, and 11440 from 2018-19. Population decline in a few years would not be surprising.

Some of our inner-ring suburbs are currently losing population, which are among the bigger numerical declines in the state:

Federal Way (-437)
Auburn (-325)
Burien (-321)
Mill Creek (-80)
SeaTac (-77)
Renton (-36)
Normandy Park (-33)
Mountlake Terrace (-30)
Edmonds (-20)
Lake Forest Park (-17)
Interesting, I wonder where most of them are relocating.
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Old 05-21-2020, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Because the same thing happened last decade with the 2009 estimates having 655,000 people in the city then the Census came to town and said it was 617,000.

I think Boston’s large transient class (both Immigrants and Students/yuppies) makes it hard to pin down which is with Detroit (which has an enormous economic shock) and Atlanta had the largest errors from estimate to census in 2010.

I think NYC/NYS is in a similar boat. I don’t think it actually lost 72,000 people in a single year.

I haven’t seen the revised estimate for Boston proper but Massachusetts’s 2018 estimate was revised town like 26,000 from its initial estimate

In general I think looking over 3-4 years I’d probably a better bet than looking year over year which seems to have quirks.
Well in 2005 Boston’s population was estimated at like 555,000. Thomas Menino would go to eat with the census because he felt it was an undercount.. I don’t think this is the same scenario really. Estimates have showed a very steady trend from 2010 to 2019. No anomaly or major modifications of Bostons population this decade in any estimates. And I highly doubt they got it wrong in 2018 and then got it right in 2019.
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Old 05-21-2020, 02:58 PM
 
Location: La Jolla
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Boston, Cambridge, Chelsea, Somerville combined lost about 4,000 people y/y.

I think this is more of an adjustment than an actual population loss. It’s probably likely Boston just didn’t have 694,000 people in 2018 than it actually lost population.

Detroit lost 3,000, Pittsburgh lost 1,000. Cleveland lost 2,500.

Buffalo lost only 800 or so.

Providence gained about 1000 residents and is closing in on 10,000 ppsm.
Cincinnati got a nice bump and I don't understand why Pittsburgh can't get the same.
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