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You were just getting on other people for going off topic, yet here you are again in the umpteenth thread hijacking it, arguing about North-South when that's not in the discussion nor relevant here for pages at a time.
The thread includes DC suburbs here, and DC as well as Baltimore are a part of the NE corridor so they can be compared. The OP is asking to compare the suburbs at the top. There really isn't much more to elaborate on.
That's because it's part of both. It belongs to the Census designated South due to history, but logistically speaking, and connectivity wise is the endpoint/gateway to the NE. Everybody knows that, there's just certain posters on C-D who get a hard on debating about this. So as you've stated only one definitive term can be used as consensus the mid-Atlantic. It's ridiculous this is still being entertained for the umpteenth time in the umpteenth thread when that's not what the OP is about.
Since we seem to be stuck on this "Is Maryland Southern?" track:
I think I need to remind you all of these facts:
—The Mason-Dixon Line is the Maryland-Pennsylvania border
—Maryland, like my native Missouri, was split in two by the Civil War,. and its state flag was designed as a symbol of reconciliation between Union and Confederate supporters
BUT:
Even though Missouri's southern portion, and the Bootheel especially, are very much culturally Southern, I bristle when others call the entire state Southern, for it's not. Similarly, I'm still not sure I'd call Maryland's principal city "Southern" either for reasons I elaborated on above. Another poster noted that my remarks about Atlanta and Charlotte show that transformation is itself a Southern trait and threw Miami in for good measure, but Baltimore was industrial back before the Civil War, and back then, no other Southern city save Birmingham could be said to be an industrial center.
Edited to add: Guess I'm piling on. Mid-Atlantic pretty much squares the circle.
Since we seem to be stuck on this "Is Maryland Southern?" track:
I think I need to remind you all of these facts:
—The Mason-Dixon Line is the Maryland-Pennsylvania border
—Maryland, like my native Missouri, was split in two by the Civil War,. and its state flag was designed as a symbol of reconciliation between Union and Confederate supporters
BUT:
Even though Missouri's southern portion, and the Bootheel especially, are very much culturally Southern, I bristle when others call the entire state Southern, for it's not. Similarly, I'm still not sure I'd call Maryland's principal city "Southern" either for reasons I elaborated on above. Another poster noted that my remarks about Atlanta and Charlotte show that transformation is itself a Southern trait and threw Miami in for good measure, but Baltimore was industrial back before the Civil War, and back then, no other Southern city save Birmingham could be said to be an industrial center.
Edited to add: Guess I'm piling on. Mid-Atlantic pretty much squares the circle.
Bump, the Maryland debate is always entertaining. Most folks from New England see something different about the state just like most folks from the Lower South see differing attributes. Can someone provide some sources on this South VA being from C'Ville on down? Never heard of it when I was in VA.
Speaking on the burbs, I like the DC burbs personally because of the blended elements otherwise I'd go with the Main Line.
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If your from New England most what your first impression of Maryland (if not in MoCo) is it’s southern attributes(modern highways/strip plazas) and demography (black people). I realize I kinda hate living in and being in unincorporated areas.
Add to this much of Western Maryland and the Eastern Shore feels comfortably southern in both its white and black culture/speech/look.
Can we please stop calling Fairfield County the "Gold Coast" in this thread? The phrase "Gold Coast" has always referred to certain parts of the North Shore of Long Island, no matter what magazine articles or real estate developers might try to tell you.
A few notes:
-- In general, both Fairfield County and Westchester seem and probably are more "prestigious" than Long Island and New Jersey, though there are plenty of great places in both of the latter two areas. I've always found Westchester far more charming than Fairfield County, but honestly if I had my choice I'd probably choose New Jersey or Long Island since I much prefer walkable towns (think Garden City on Long Island and South Orange or Chatham in New Jersey).
-- Neither Great Neck nor Oyster Bay really belong as examples of Long Island's "Gold Coast" North Shore, though the Kings Point section of Great Neck may have belonged 40+ years ago. The "fancy" areas are places like Muttontown, Lattingtown, Old Westbury. That said, these upper class areas are really just zip codes and lack all of the community and charm that you find in Long Island's more upper-middle class towns (Garden City, Manhasset, Port Washington, Cold Spring Harbor, etc). There are some mind-blowingly nice properties in places like Muttontown but I'd never want to raise my kids there.
Can we please stop calling Fairfield County the "Gold Coast" in this thread? The phrase "Gold Coast" has always referred to certain parts of the North Shore of Long Island, no matter what magazine articles or real estate developers might try to tell you.
A few notes:
-- In general, both Fairfield County and Westchester seem and probably are more "prestigious" than Long Island and New Jersey, though there are plenty of great places in both of the latter two areas. I've always found Westchester far more charming than Fairfield County, but honestly if I had my choice I'd probably choose New Jersey or Long Island since I much prefer walkable towns (think Garden City on Long Island and South Orange or Chatham in New Jersey).
-- Neither Great Neck nor Oyster Bay really belong as examples of Long Island's "Gold Coast" North Shore, though the Kings Point section of Great Neck may have belonged 40+ years ago. The "fancy" areas are places like Muttontown, Lattingtown, Old Westbury. That said, these upper class areas are really just zip codes and lack all of the community and charm that you find in Long Island's more upper-middle class towns (Garden City, Manhasset, Port Washington, Cold Spring Harbor, etc). There are some mind-blowingly nice properties in places like Muttontown but I'd never want to raise my kids there.
Can we please stop calling Fairfield County the "Gold Coast" in this thread? The phrase "Gold Coast" has always referred to certain parts of the North Shore of Long Island, no matter what magazine articles or real estate developers might try to tell you.
A few notes:
-- In general, both Fairfield County and Westchester seem and probably are more "prestigious" than Long Island and New Jersey, though there are plenty of great places in both of the latter two areas. I've always found Westchester far more charming than Fairfield County, but honestly if I had my choice I'd probably choose New Jersey or Long Island since I much prefer walkable towns (think Garden City on Long Island and South Orange or Chatham in New Jersey).
-- Neither Great Neck nor Oyster Bay really belong as examples of Long Island's "Gold Coast" North Shore, though the Kings Point section of Great Neck may have belonged 40+ years ago. The "fancy" areas are places like Muttontown, Lattingtown, Old Westbury. That said, these upper class areas are really just zip codes and lack all of the community and charm that you find in Long Island's more upper-middle class towns (Garden City, Manhasset, Port Washington, Cold Spring Harbor, etc). There are some mind-blowingly nice properties in places like Muttontown but I'd never want to raise my kids there.
All 4 of these suburban areas of NYC Metro are great, no doubt. I grew up in northern Bergen County (NNJ) but have immediate and extended family in all three other areas. At the end of the day it just comes down to individual preferences nothing more. I love being in NNJ (now a Hudson resident) because I can pop in and out of Midtown in 10-15 minutes from where I live and so many other reasons. A few other nice ones similarly on the Island are Huntington and Syosset. Splitting hairs.
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