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German and Dutch, yes definitely. But Eastern European? Are New York State and PA so much more Polish, Greek, Russian, etc than New England?
I believe you've shown some Polish businesses in Massachusetts, but I don't recall seeing any of those groups in the concentrations I find them in the city of Philadelphia alone.
I suspect there certainly aren't enough Russians in Boston for, say, Comcast Xfinity to run ads for cable service in Russian on the backs of local buses. I've seen such an ad here in Philadelphia, where at least two supermarkets in the Northeast part of the city are Russian-American-owned and operated and cater to Russian tastes.
The Slovene national fraternal organization is based outside Pittsburgh, in the only borough in the state with a population of zero (the society formed it because its recreation and community center is located in a dry township and the organization wanted to obtain a liquor license for it).
There are, however, two more Greek Orthodox churches in Massachusetts than in Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania and NY I believe have heavier concentrations of Slovak, Slovenian, Hungarian, and Ukrainian Americans. A remnant of heavier "second wave" industrial and manufacturing hubs (or in PA's case, coal mining towns).
Pennsylvania and NY I believe have heavier concentrations of Slovak, Slovenian, Hungarian, and Ukrainian Americans. A remnant of heavier "second wave" industrial and manufacturing hubs (or in PA's case, coal mining towns).
I actually looked up some numbers and they line up with this. PA actually has a much larger percent of folks reporting Slovak ancestry than NY or NewE. The latter two have higher Greek, Albanian, and Russian percentages.
Out of 1000 people reporting a single ancestry, about 92ish reported some kind of Eastern ancestry in PA versus 80ish in NY and 65ish in New England.
Might post the actual data later. I saved it, but then ditched my laptop.
I actually looked up some numbers and they line up with this. PA actually has a much larger percent of folks reporting Slovak ancestry than NY or NewE. The latter two have higher Greek, Albanian, and Russian percentages.
Out of 1000 people reporting a single ancestry, about 92ish reported some kind of Eastern ancestry in PA versus 80ish in NY and 65ish in New England.
Might post the actual data later. I saved it, but then ditched my laptop.
Very interesting, thanks for the info! I guess it does really come down to individual ethnicities/nationalities.
My thinking was the Eastern European heritage, while of course existing in New England, may have somewhat more visible culture/concentrations in PA and NY (although that's increasingly a thing of the past, as most ethnic white identity is becoming). It would be cool to see an actual breakdown of statistics, though.
NYC - mix of both Boston and Philly, depending on the neighborhood, but I'd say overall more like Boston
Long Island - southern Connecticut
Westchester - North Jersey and southern Connecticut (definitely more New England than PA)
Lower Hudson east (Putnam Dutchess Columbia) - Northwest Connecticut
Lower Hudson west (Rockland Orange Sullivan Ulster) - Northeast PA Poconos area
Albany Troy Schenectady Capital region - Western Massachusetts
Far Upstate NY towards Ottawa Canada - Northern New England especially Vermont
Finger Lakes area Syracuse Utica area - mixed bag, due to being between Albany and Buffalo/Rochester, maybe more similar to Pa and Ohio due to being slightly more like Buffalo than Albany
Southern Tier Binghamton area and westward on top of PA border - northern/northeast Pennsylvania
Western NY Buffalo Rochester Niagara area - Northwest PA and Northeast Ohio, very similar to Cleveland and Erie
NYC - mix of both Boston and Philly, depending on the neighborhood, but I'd say overall more like Boston
Long Island - southern Connecticut
Westchester - North Jersey and southern Connecticut (definitely more New England than PA)
Lower Hudson east (Putnam Dutchess Columbia) - Northwest Connecticut
Lower Hudson west (Rockland Orange Sullivan Ulster) - Northeast PA Poconos area
Albany Troy Schenectady Capital region - Western Massachusetts
Far Upstate NY towards Ottawa Canada - Northern New England especially Vermont
Finger Lakes area Syracuse Utica area - mixed bag, due to being between Albany and Buffalo/Rochester, maybe more similar to Pa and Ohio due to being slightly more like Buffalo than Albany
Southern Tier Binghamton area and westward on top of PA border - northern/northeast Pennsylvania
Western NY Buffalo Rochester Niagara area - Northwest PA and Northeast Ohio, very similar to Cleveland and Erie
This is the right answer, folks. All this debate for nothing lol. NY is a large state, just depends which part you're in...
One thing I can add, is that much of EASTERN Pennsylvania (outside Philly) and Southern New England is more Hispanic than much of New York (outside of NYC/southern NY). And these areas have more Hispanic dominance compared to much smaller black populations, areas like Lawrence, Providence, Springfield, Holyoke, Hartford, Bridgeport, Allentown, Reading, Lancaster etc represent this, they are more Hispanic than black, in comparison to places in much of nonNYC New York like Albany, Schenectady, Troy, Syracuse, Utica, Binghamton, Rochester, Buffalo, and the rest of PA (Philly, Pittsburgh, Erie, Harrisburg).
I think much of PA (outside of Philly and parts of eastern PA) and much of NY (outside of NYC and southern NY) are very similar to Northeast Ohio, the way the houses and streets look, demographics and culture. Even the Albany capital region and the Syracuse/Utica area have some similarities with New England, but there's also some notable similarities with Pa/Ohio. For example, the city of Albany has a black majority, specifically African American, something very hard to find in New England especially outside of Connecticut, but similar to say Harrisburg PA or Youngstown Ohio. Also, rowhomes are somewhat abundant in the Albany area, uncommon in most parts of NY state but similar to Pennsylvania and Maryland.
Also the Italian/Irish presence, tho big in NY and PA, it feels 'bigger' in New England (and NJ). NYC is probably the most diverse city in the country, but there's many groups large in NYC that aren't really present in much of the rest of the state. After, NYC, it would be Boston then Philadelphia in terms of demographic diversity. Tho, there's groups present in Boston (and many other parts of New England) in large numbers not really present in NYC like Cape Verdeans, Portuguese, French Canadians etc. Other groups like Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Jamaicans, Haitians, Chinese are present in major cities throughout the entire Northeast region in varying amounts.
One thing I can add, is that much of EASTERN Pennsylvania (outside Philly) and Southern New England is more Hispanic than much of New York (outside of NYC/southern NY). And these areas have more Hispanic dominance compared to much smaller black populations, areas like Lawrence, Providence, Springfield, Holyoke, Hartford, Bridgeport, Allentown, Reading, Lancaster etc represent this, they are more Hispanic than black, in comparison to places in much of nonNYC New York like Albany, Schenectady, Troy, Syracuse, Utica, Binghamton, Rochester, Buffalo, and the rest of PA (Philly, Pittsburgh, Erie, Harrisburg).
I think much of PA (outside of Philly and parts of eastern PA) and much of NY (outside of NYC and southern NY) are very similar to Northeast Ohio, the way the houses and streets look, demographics and culture. Even the Albany capital region and the Syracuse/Utica area have some similarities with New England, but there's also some notable similarities with Pa/Ohio. For example, the city of Albany has a black majority, specifically African American, something very hard to find in New England especially outside of Connecticut, but similar to say Harrisburg PA or Youngstown Ohio. Also, rowhomes are somewhat abundant in the Albany area, uncommon in most parts of NY state but similar to Pennsylvania and Maryland.
Also the Italian/Irish presence, tho big in NY and PA, it feels 'bigger' in New England (and NJ). NYC is probably the most diverse city in the country, but there's many groups large in NYC that aren't really present in much of the rest of the state. After, NYC, it would be Boston then Philadelphia in terms of demographic diversity. Tho, there's groups present in Boston (and many other parts of New England) in large numbers not really present in NYC like Cape Verdeans, Portuguese, French Canadians etc. Other groups like Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Jamaicans, Haitians, Chinese are present in major cities throughout the entire Northeast region in varying amounts.
In terms of the first part, look up Amsterdam and Dunkirk(has NY State's first Hispanic mayor) for examples of Upstate NY communities with similar demographics(higher Hispanic population, with a smaller, but decent/visible black population). Can't forget places such as Newburgh and Middletown, which has a higher Hispanic population, but also has a pretty big black population too. Same/similar for Monticello, Fallsburg and Liberty in Sullivan County. So, you may be surprised. Some of those New England/PA cities like Bridgeport, Providence and Springfield/Lancaster, Reading and even Allentown have above average and/or growing black populations too.
Albany is about a third black and yes, most of the black people in Upstate NY are largely African American(Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse and Poughkeepsie are all in the roughly 30-45% black range as well, with about 10 other cities Upstate in the 15-30% range). Though for MA, I'd say that in western MA, the black population appears to be more African American as well(Pittsfield, Springfield, Amherst, etc.).
Same goes for the Italian aspect, as mentioned in the thread in the General US forum, which shows some of the most Italian metros in the country are Upstate.
Quite a few French Canadians in the North Country/Adirondack portion of NY as well due to proximity. Look up French ancestry in areas like Plattsburgh, Ogdensburg-Massena and Malone. Watertown, Glens Falls and Albany also have quite a few.
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