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Yea I said Maine and New Hampshire because the whole of them is politically moderate. Pick any MSA
Boston and especially Boston CSA is southeast of New England. I mean Boston itself isn’t all the way south but it’s definitely it let the southeastern portion of New England. The CSA ones as far southeast as is possible.
Have you heard of Governor Paul LePage and some of the things he had to say about Balck people from New York?.. I think we’re severely underestimating how conservative the republicans in Northern NE really are.
Doesn't that last sentence of yours contradict the first one? Though to be fair to Pine Tree Staters, LePage never got a majority of the popular vote there and was deeply unpopular.
MSAs are MSAs, states are states, and the two are different animals (the former, remember, cross state lines). So Portland/Portsmouth/Rochester/Manchester taken together (actually, I'm not sure Rochester is its own µSA).
Doesn't that last sentence of yours contradict the first one? Though to be fair to Pine Tree Staters, LePage never got a majority of the popular vote there and was deeply unpopular.
MSAs are MSAs, states are states, and the two are different animals (the former, remember, cross state lines). So Portland/Portsmouth/Rochester/Manchester taken together (actually, I'm not sure Rochester is its own µSA).
i don’t think it does. The moderate climate is because there are many democrats democrats and republicans. The republicans there are are in fact “real” republicans who are conservative. Many of the democrats and independents in New Hampshire are either Libertarians or moderate. I think the idea that all the republicans in NE are more sane or centrist at least than PA or NY warrants more inspection.
And when I was saying Northern NE I really should’ve said Northern Maine and Northern VT/NH. Or at least referred to the conservative bent of the republicans there.
I'm thinking outside of the Northampton/Amherst areas, right?
The part of MA touching CT and retouching RI is Republican. And then there’s a lot of moderate dems there too. Once you north of like Holyoke and into the area you mentioned it’s deeply blue. Even Chicopee can go red: look at gubernatorial election maps. And other local races. But even in 2016 most towns around Springfield went for Trump.
The part of MA touching CT and retouching RI is Republican. And then there’s a lot of moderate dems there too. Once you north of like Holyoke and into the area you mentioned it’s deeply blue. Even Chicopee can go red: look at gubernatorial election maps. And other local races. But even in 2016 most towns around Springfield went for Trump.
In 2020 the reddest town in Massachusetts was 58.8-37.7%. There were 50 counties in PA redder than that. Including Blair County which is home to Altoona which would be Berkshire counties largest city, voted 71.2-27.7% for Trump, with about 62,000 total votes.
The reddest town that cast over 1000 in Massachusetts votes was 56-42.
They only look similar because who wins in a Binary but the makeup is very different.
In 2020 the reddest town in Massachusetts was 58.8-37.7%. There were 50 counties in PA redder than that. Including Blair County which is home to Altoona which would be Berkshire counties largest city, voted 71.2-27.7% for Trump, with about 62,000 total votes.
The reddest town that cast over 1000 in Massachusetts votes was 56-42.
They only look similar because who wins in a Binary but the makeup is very different.
I’m aware I said your thread MA and VT were the only blues. But MA is not all of New England. The fact remains there are many red towns in MA. Less in 2020 than in 2016, and by slightly smaller margins. Clinton got 60.8% of the vote in 2016. Joe Biden got 65.6% of the vote in 2020.
4 years of trump was enough to push MA to more blue results. If you compare 2016 and 2020 you’ll see. Add to this, most elections are not that polarizing.
While not a bunch of hippies, if Maine or NH were carved out of Central PA or Upstate NY, they’d be heavily Republican rather than D+9 states in 2020
2020 is but one election.
You're forgetting that in 2016, ME and NH only pretty narrowly voted Democratic, with all of rural/non-coastal Maine and a large majority of rural NH voting Republican by not insignificant margins:
For me, the propensity to vote for Trump in any election is pretty good proxy for non-liberal voting habits and sensibilities of an area in question. And we're talking about rural areas that are true-blue liberal here, not right-leaning swing voters.
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