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I just spent a few days in the Williamsport area, and don’t know if I agree with the architecture piece. Any chance you could share some Google street views to help visualize?
Even little Lock Haven was surprisingly dominated by brick houses instead of wooden ones. At least along Bellefonte Ave heading toward Flemington. You’d very rarely if ever see that in a similarly sized New England city.
I would assume Port Jervis, Binghamton, Corning, Elmira and Chatauqua resemble Pennsylvania. I know Ridgefield, CT and Lewisboro, NY look more like CT than like PA.
Does anyone want to opine on why New York's 2020 presidential electoral map is more similar to Pennsylvania's than it is New England's? And I'm of course not talking raw state-wide numbers here (urban NYC has disproportionate power for Democrats, urban political power that Democrats in New England do not rely upon for national elections). NY's rural counties, apart from some anomalies such as Tompkins County, almost uniformly skew Republican. This is true in Pennsylvania as well. In New England, rural areas are much more moderate, and many are progressive.
For New England, perhaps it has something to do with a complex interplay of elements that include early settlement patterns that differed from the Mid-Atlantic, avoidance of boom-bust economies such as coal/steel, education levels, and the culture of participatory citizenship promoted by the unique political powers held by New England's townships, ie, town meetings.
Guys, I think we should stop discussing a narrow topic such as architecture (especially when the greater Northeast has a lot more in common with itself than it does the most of the country) as if it is a tipping-point difference, and start looking at the reality of what types of people live in New England vs. Mid-Atlantic, what sort of social and economic realities inhabitants of these states share, and what overarching cultural themes emerge from these similarities and differences. I think if one looks at the regions with a holistic approach, versus some of the very narrow approaches people are choosing to partake in here, one would find Pennsylvania to be a much fairer analog to New York than the very unique New England. I think that is why most people are voting for Pennsylvania, because it's not just about wooden versus brick housing.
Does anyone want to opine on why New York's 2020 presidential electoral map is more similar to Pennsylvania's than it is New England's? And I'm of course not talking raw state-wide numbers here (urban NYC has disproportionate power for Democrats, urban political power that Democrats in New England do not rely upon for national elections). NY's rural counties, apart from some anomalies such as Tompkins County, almost uniformly skew Republican. This is true in Pennsylvania as well. In New England, rural areas are much more moderate, and many are progressive.
For New England, perhaps it has something to do with a complex interplay of elements that include early settlement patterns that differed from the Mid-Atlantic, avoidance of boom-bust economies such as coal/steel, education levels, and the culture of participatory citizenship promoted by the unique political powers held by New England's townships, ie, town meetings.
Guys, I think we should stop discussing a narrow topic such as architecture (especially when the greater Northeast has a lot more in common with itself than it does the most of the country) as if it is a tipping-point difference, and start looking at the reality of what types of people live in New England vs. Mid-Atlantic, what sort of social and economic realities inhabitants of these states share, and what overarching cultural themes emerge from these similarities and differences. I think if one looks at the regions with a holistic approach, versus some of the very narrow approaches people are choosing to partake in here, one would find Pennsylvania to be a much fairer analog to New York than the very unique New England. I think that is why most people are voting for Pennsylvania, because it's not just about wooden versus brick housing.
It depends on the rural area too. Parts of counties such as Wayne, Ulster, Sullivan, Orleans, Greene, Columbia and a few others are actually different than those in both PA and New England in that they actually have some communities that have visible diversity(blacks, Hispanics, Jews, etc.) and in turn, may be more balanced or in some cases, may be more Democrat. So, even this depends on where you look in rural/small town Upstate NY.
It depends on the rural area too. Parts of counties such as Wayne, Ulster, Sullivan, Orleans, Greene, Columbia and a few others are actually different than those in both PA and New England in that they actually have some communities that have visible diversity(blacks, Hispanics, Jews, etc.) and in turn, may be more balanced or in some cases, may be more Democrat. So, even this depends on where you look in rural/small town Upstate NY.
Sure, and Eastern Pennsylvania has this growing contingency as well. But let this not distract from the fact that New York’s urban – rural divide is much more akin to Pennsylvania’s than it is New England’s.
Sure, and Eastern Pennsylvania has this growing contingency as well. But let this not distract from the fact that New York’s urban – rural divide is much more akin to Pennsylvania’s than it is New England’s.
Not to the degree of NY though. Outside of Monroe County(East Stroudsburg area) and maybe select boroughs in the former Coal area/region, where else in rural PA has visible to serious diversity like that? Even in your home area of the state, the village of South Corning has a black mayor. Are there similar communities in PA that have one?
Even when bringing in New England, they don't really have rural/small towns like say Monticello, Liberty, Fallsburg, Lyons, Sodus, Albion, Medina, etc. that actually have visible to even high percentages of at least one of those groups mentioned and some case a few of those towns have decent degrees of all 3 of those groups(the first 3 communities mentioned, which are in Sullivan County). So, perhaps that is a difference between NY and PA or New England.
Not to the degree of NY though. Outside of Monroe County(East Stroudsburg area) and maybe select boroughs in the former Coal area/region, where else in rural PA has visible to serious diversity like that? Even in your home area of the state, the village of South Corning has a black mayor. Are there similar communities in PA that have one?
Even when bringing in New England, they don't really have rural/small towns like say Monticello, Liberty, Fallsburg, Lyons, Sodus, Albion, Medina, etc. that actually have visible to even high percentages of at least one of those groups mentioned and some case a few of those towns have decent degrees of all 3 of those groups(the first 3 communities mentioned, which are in Sullivan County). So, perhaps that is a difference between NY and PA or New England.
https://www.wgal.com/article/hispani...ania/37625235#
Wait, did you ask that not knowing about Derek Slaughter? I mean obviously it's not as small of a city as South Corning, but Williamsport is basically Corning's Pennsylvanian cousin.
Does anyone want to opine on why New York's 2020 presidential electoral map is more similar to Pennsylvania's than it is New England's? And I'm of course not talking raw state-wide numbers here (urban NYC has disproportionate power for Democrats, urban political power that Democrats in New England do not rely upon for national elections). NY's rural counties, apart from some anomalies such as Tompkins County, almost uniformly skew Republican. This is true in Pennsylvania as well. In New England, rural areas are much more moderate, and many are progressive.
For New England, perhaps it has something to do with a complex interplay of elements that include early settlement patterns that differed from the Mid-Atlantic, avoidance of boom-bust economies such as coal/steel, education levels, and the culture of participatory citizenship promoted by the unique political powers held by New England's townships, ie, town meetings.
Guys, I think we should stop discussing a narrow topic such as architecture (especially when the greater Northeast has a lot more in common with itself than it does the most of the country) as if it is a tipping-point difference, and start looking at the reality of what types of people live in New England vs. Mid-Atlantic, what sort of social and economic realities inhabitants of these states share, and what overarching cultural themes emerge from these similarities and differences. I think if one looks at the regions with a holistic approach, versus some of the very narrow approaches people are choosing to partake in here, one would find Pennsylvania to be a much fairer analog to New York than the very unique New England. I think that is why most people are voting for Pennsylvania, because it's not just about wooden versus brick housing.
Anyone want to take a gander and engage with the bulk of my argument? Concurring and diverging opinions all welcome, please just do justice to my main point, lol.
https://www.wgal.com/article/hispani...ania/37625235#
Wait, did you ask that not knowing about Derek Slaughter? I mean obviously it's not as small of a city as South Corning, but Williamsport is basically Corning's Pennsylvanian cousin.
Williamsport is a city of 30,000 or so, while South Corning is a small village of maybe 1000 people outside of a city of roughly 11,000. So, there is a difference.
Also, all of those counties in Central PA have decent sized to small cities that are getting that Hispanic growth like Harrisburg, Lancaster, York, Lebanon, Chambersburg, Carlisle and Gettysburg, whereas those NY communities I mentioned have been that way for decades(if not longer) due to farm workers from the South and some migration from NYC. Plus many of them are villages and/or towns.
Anyway, my point is that rural NY isn't monolithic and can have its diverse and "progressive" communities(i.e.-some in the Hudson Valley) rural/small towns that are more moderate to Democrat leaning.
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