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To be fair, Technically Boston is the larger metro when comparing by CSA.
That stated … Boston crosses all the metrics but I couldn’t see myself living there. It’s way too expensive and has more of a winter than I can tolerate.
Well not a debate for you as you have your mind made up about what you like and what you think what is offered in Atlanta which maybe why you think its not a worthy debate. If by debate you mean solely by urbanity,then yes I agree,Boston suburbs overall are more urban. All of them are urban as its an old city with years of growth.
That said ,Atlanta is a far bigger metro physically and by population. Yes it sprawls. Everyone knows that,but in between some of those sprawling areas are some great varied diverse types of suburban towns and cities.
So diverse in optipn I havent seen anything in all my travels around the US like it accept in maybe DC area.
Those are links you gave are lovely and I can see why people love those areas. Some have similarities to some of Atlanta historic suburbs that date to post colonial Georgia .
I just dont see as much diversity as found in Atlanta(architecture).
I have family in the Northeast although not Boston,but I know how the suburbs are in that region. Some are really nice and posh,others are just average mundane and typical like in any region of the suburban US.Atlant a has those typical suburbs too. I think thats what people who arent from the South think of Atlanta suburbs. Just new cheap uninspired tract housing and streets in cities with no charm or character.Again there is that like everywhere but hardly the only types by far as people taste become more demanding of more charming places, In some of Atlanta more recent suburban offerings they really do rival some of Atlanta older charming historic cities.
One HUGE advantage Atlanta has over any Northeastern city is the affordability. Atlanta suburs are so different from each other,that you can pay hundreds cheaper in places 20-45 mim drive away from each other.Unlke in Boston ,Atlanta doesnt have suburbs where the average price is well over 1 million for a home. The most would be maybe $600,000 in places like Roswell, Sandy Springs,Dunwoody etc
There is a huge difference in the look and feel of Decatur vs Roswell or Alpharetta and Covington or Johns Creek and the City of South Fulton.
Even totally different places like Serenbe which pays homage to suburbs like those smallest ,oldest ,quaint New England towns around the farthest parts of Boston .In my opinion its even better and does offer more amenities as it was created and planned to be what it is and still maturing as we speak.
Not generic at all . Its located in the pristine rolling countryside in the city of Chattahoochie Hills just outside the city of Atlanta.
Serenbe is a fully sustainable community in Chattahoochie Hills about 35 miles South of Atlanta. Its national model for this type of development. They have so much stuff going on. Its really quite well done.
i think many people think of Atlanta as they do Phoenix,Houston,Miami,etc.I m sure people from those cities will be mad but while those cities have some historic charm in their metros,its very limited.
Many of Atlanta's suburbs predate Atlanta which was founded in 1830s.
Atlanta is no Boston by any means when it comes to historic places, and not even its oldest city as that would be Savannah,but Georgia is one of the original 13 colonies as Massachusetts is.
Georgia was named after King George in 1733 by Gen James Olgethorpe,the founder of Georgia.
Atlanta the city proper was the only American major city to have been burned to the ground by reason of war. Surrounding areas like Roswell. Its every bit as beautiful as any suburb in Boston.
Its got huge beautiful antebellum mansions,and historic houses that have the same look and period of those found in Boston area.
Roswell today is one of the wealthiest communities in the US.
Roswells most famous mansion and former plantation house is Bulloch Hall . Here is a very interesting back ground:
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This is where Martha Bulloch Roosevelt ("Mittie"), mother of Theodore Roosevelt, 26th U.S. President, lived as a child. It is also where she married Theodore Roosevelt's father, Theodore Roosevelt, Sr. The Roosevelt family are descendants of Archibald Bulloch, the first Governor of Georgia (1730-1777).
The antebellum mansion was built by Mittie's father, Major James Stephens Bulloch. He was a prominent planter from the Georgia coast, who was invited to the new settlement by his friend Roswell King. After the death of his first wife Hester Amarintha "Hettie" Elliott - mother of his son James D. Bulloch - Bulloch married the widow of his first wife's father, Martha "Patsy" Stewart Elliot, and had four more children:
Alpharetta is crazy booming and has become its own destination in such a short matter of time. It has walking trails thorugh the neighborhoods and through historic downtown that connect a new massive live work development called Avalon.
Alpharetta's Avalon. Its a planned development not far from the Historic Downtown. Im a firm believer in that as long as its done thoughtfully,new urbanist developments are many times better than the old historic cities as they should be.
I admit when this place was first built it looked just too new and without character ,but now the trees have matured.art installations have been installed, great added landscaping and public spaces ,and they have gine back and done some things to make it look more authentic. Now this place looks like it belongs.
As in Serenbe,you have all types of housing.
Townhouses,apartments,lofts, estate homes,etc all mixed in with the retail ,dining,entertainment and green spaces everywhere. Not just endless red brick of the same architecture that looks like the suburb next door.
Its nice to see that the first time but it gets old if thats what you see in every suburb in one city.
Atlanta just has so much different suburban options that are far less found in Boston. Its one of the reasons Atlanta is so popular a film,TV and Movie destination as I have even seen in movies using Downtown Decatur's Agnes Scott College campus as a double for Boston or a New England setting.
Here is Downtown Decatur
Covington Georgia is a huge filming location spot. Its a thriving vibrant small suburban city just East of Atlanta with a typical town square found all across the East Coast and Georgia.
Very lovely city of Covington
Marietta is one of the most popular Atlanta suburbs just a few minutes North of Atlanta.
This is a real estate agent but he highlights the historic town square area and beyond.Lots of historic Civil War areas.
As one of the most affordable suburbs with character other than Covington is McDonough ,30 minutes South of Atlanta. Its diverse and offers a safe ,affordable with adequate to decent educational opportunities with its own vibrant historic town square.
This last city I felt it was important of noting,not for its design,charm or walkable areas as ib those things it is lacking ,but the fact that is is a new town formed just a few years ago from unincorporated South Fulton County and unincorporated Atlanta.Its called the City of South Fulton. The city is very suburban and has great neighborhoods that are solidly middle class to upper middle class. This lush green heavily forested areas is booming with development and borders the city of Atlanta that has one planned community of walkable urbanism. It was built just before the housing crash a few years ago.
It was designed to be an upscale gated community where you can shop,has tennis courts, a pool ,area fountains as well as other beautiful landscaping and amenities.Its called Camp Creek Village
Its 5 minutes from lots of a great shopping area called Camp Creek Marketplace in a neighboring city.It have everything including Target,AMC movie theater,Old Navy,DSW,Marshalls,Publix,etc.
It also has restaurants that are national chains as well as locally owned . Some are even black owned.
Its not far from the busiest airport in US and second in the world
The city of South Fulton is 91% black and it is the 7th largest city in Georgia with a population of more than 100,000 people. Its grew more than 19% last year, Thats faster than even much wealthier Johns Creek and Roswell.
Im impresses with the safety and relative low poverty rate in this majority minority city. Its very run well and their is now a 64 acre planned development to create a city walkable core with all the amenities expected in this very lush green beautiful area less than 15 minutes from downtown Atlanta
Just for comparison, here is a google of homes for sale in Concord which I know is a wealthier suburb but for comparison Ill put it in a Google search with more average priced McDonough.
Concord https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...rch/Concord_MA
I cant see how anyone looking at just the housing quality and options would pick a house over the ones on McDonough. I think this more than anything dealing with urbanity is more important to most . Even the more expensive homes in Concord are small old and bland compared to the averahe homes in McDonough. I think because the prices are at all price points,its why you have more diversity in even the more wealthier suburbs of Atlanta.
Again, if you have a source to back the claim Dunkin' plans on leaving Canton or any of the executive roles are based in Atlanta now or in the future, I will listen. There are no sources that either speculate, confirm or propose Dunkin leaving/downsizing/relocation operations to ATL, and their executive board from moving down there.
But for now, according to Dunkin', Inspire Brands, those I know who work in the executive teams on Dunkin' and through the Commonwealth.. Dunkin will maintain 100% capacity at its Canton HQ and has no plans on downsizing it's current HQ office or relocating part/most/all of its current HQ to Atlanta.
It will work similarly to Baskin Robbins. Dunkin Donuts owned (owns) Baskin Robbins. All of Baskin RObbins team, HQ and operations were out of CA. The influence Baskin Robbins had in Boston area, were occasional meetings between executives. Operations never shifted out of CA, even though Dunkin owned Baskin Robbins. Same with Chipotle, McDonalds Corp. owns Chipotle. However, Chipotle's HQ is in Newport Beach, while McCorp is in Chicago. Parent companies can be based in a different location of their subsidiary's HQ locations. We usually do not see this happen because many brands get liquidated and acquired or are not financially stable enough to keep their own HQ/doesnt make practical sense. Case is way different for brands like Dunkin'. Other Inspire Brands that have been acquired include Jimmy Johns, Sonic and Baskin Robbins who have/will continue to operate their own HQ operations in their respected locations. Could Dunkin want to consolidate in the future? Sure. But do they have plans now? Not in the foreseeable future.
So no. Dunkin' will not be leaving/has no immediate plans to leave Canton.
Also, Inspires Executive team is its own set of executives. No subsidiary CEOs/CFOs/Execs will be on their team. Parent Companies operate Subsidiaries. Parent Companies =/= Subsidiaries.
Honestly ,I hope you are right about DUnkin. I dont want people to loose their jobs but Dunkins Distrubution Company DID indeed move ALL of its operations to Atlanta.
There are very few example of a company bought keeping its headquarters in the same place.ESPECIALLY when the parent company city is cheaper with more access logistically to more parts of the country,AND with warmer weather. I would eat my words if they dont announce within a year or less they are closing or sharing operational duties bewtween both cities
McDonalds hasnt owned Chipotle since 2006 .
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For the most part, Chipotle ignored all the advice and kept doing thing their own way. In 2006, McDonald's decided to get out of the Chipotle business and sold all its shares of Chipotle back to the chain. According to Steve Easterbrook, who McDonald's CEO from 2015 through 2019, the burger chain had decided to focus on its core business. Around the same time, McDonald's also divested from Donatos Pizza and Boston Market.
There is a good chance Boston actually outgrew Atlanta. Considering how mich Mass was undercounted it’s possibke Boston is in the ~705,000 range.
Metro Atlanta was the fourth fastest growing metro region in US
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Between 2010 and 2019, as the metro Atlanta economy surged from the Great Recession, the region's population spiked from nearly 5.3 million people to more than 6 million, according to new U.S. Census data. That's a more than 730,000-resident uptick, making Atlanta the fourth fastest-growing metro area in the nation.Mar 31, 2020
As for city propers:
According to Wallet Hub Atlanta was the third fastest largest city by growth,with Boston @15th
Overall with all cities by growth,
Atlanta-35th
Sandy Springs(suburb of Atlanta) 39th
Cambridge-84th
Athens(Atlanta CSA)105th
Boston-115th
Sommerville MA-163 https://wallethub.com/edu/fastest-growing-cities/7010
It wouldnt change anything in growth. Atlanta is growing twice as much
To be fair, Technically Boston is the larger metro when comparing by CSA.
That stated … Boston crosses all the metrics but I couldn’t see myself living there. It’s way too expensive and has more of a winter than I can tolerate.
The city of Boston is larger by population to as we know but what he/she was responding to was by growth.No matter city,MSA,CSA ,Atlanta is by far growing faster. Its not even close.
Yes I agree by the metrics on paper,Boston wipes the floor with Atlanta but those metrics arent always used to make a decision about something as personal as where to live by most people. Enough but not by most as Boston would have more people moving there than Atlanta
The city of Boston is larger by population to as we know but what he/she was responding to was by growth.No matter city,MSA,CSA ,Atlanta is by far growing faster. Its not even close.
Yes I agree by the metrics on paper,Boston wipes the floor with Atlanta but those metrics arent always used to make a decision about something as personal as where to live by most people. Enough but not by most as Boston would have more people moving there than Atlanta
The city of Boston is larger by population to as we know but what he/she was responding to was by growth.No matter city,MSA,CSA ,Atlanta is by far growing faster. Its not even close.
Yes I agree by the metrics on paper,Boston wipes the floor with Atlanta but those metrics arent always used to make a decision about something as personal as where to live by most people. Enough but not by most as Boston would have more people moving there than Atlanta
By raw numbers Boston and Atlanta are close. Boston 617,000 to 694,000 Atlanta from 421,000 to 505,000.
However since MA was underestimated by ~300,000 I’d bet Boston’s census number is over 700,000.
To be fair, Technically Boston is the larger metro when comparing by CSA.
That stated … Boston crosses all the metrics but I couldn’t see myself living there. It’s way too expensive and has more of a winter than I can tolerate.
A MSA and CSA are two different metrics. Also, Boston isn't the larger metro, it becomes larger area when you combine other metros (CSA). The current MSA, Atlanta sits at 6.1 million and Boston around 4.9 million. Yeah, I know about the size disparity, etc...However, commuting patterns determine MSAs.
Lastly an overwhelming amount of people measures cities by MSA, or even Urban Area before CSA.
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