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From what I've seen in street view the South Side of Chicago looks quite clean. Certainly more so than Roxbury/most of Dorchester. But I've never actually been there. Thye just looks pretty clean. I typically hear Chicago called the cleanest big city.
Albeit Roxbury has cleaned up a lot recently.
Downtown Chicago is both orderly and clean. I think orderly is a good word for many of Chicago's neighborhoods. Clean wouldn't be the way i'd describe a lot of them. But overall, I do think Chicago is a clean city, especially in its core.
Logan Square and its commercial areas are highly representative of the North Side. Like anywhere else, you can find some trash along the street and sidewalk, but pretty standard: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9245...7i16384!8i8192
The south and west side obviously are a bit more depressed. These neighborhoods make up nearly 33% of the city.
Downtown Chicago is both orderly and clean. I think orderly is a good word for many of Chicago's neighborhoods. Clean wouldn't be the way i'd describe a lot of them. But overall, I do think Chicago is a clean city, especially in its core.
Logan Square and its commercial areas are highly representative of the North Side. Like anywhere else, you can find some trash along the street and sidewalk, but pretty standard: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9245...7i16384!8i8192
The south and west side obviously are a bit more depressed. These neighborhoods make up nearly 33% of the city.
Yea all those street views are like very clean the are exactly what I was talking about. I saw a total of like 8 pieces of litter in the roughest neighborhoods. Even the vacant lots and median are pretty damn clean. The residential streets in much of the Southside in my research and what I’ve seen on video is even more clean.
most of those Southside street views were cleaner than Logan square.
Quincy was white Irish trash until like 2005. Some of my earliest memories are drunken irish guys with a loose tooth hanging out outside the T stops and Quincy Center looking for a fight
Even city on a hill made a reference to this in season 1.
It's the weather but SF is a very very permissive city. Their approach to homelessness and drug use is pretty drastically different than in Bosotn. Ive read numerous articles on this.
The types of conversations they have around homelessness and drug use start and end in different places
https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/bost...e5c69940b.html
I'm not talking basketball. That issue remains to be seen. But in the streets, Boston puts San Francisco to shame. Crowded restaurants and offices. Beautiful public spaces. And very few homeless people in this city’s vibrant center.
A lot of basketball journalists stayed at the Marriott Marquis on Fourth and Mission streets last week. Now, the Jukebox has always been a fine hotel. But many of those media members told me they were pretty horrified at what they saw while walking around our core downtown.
. The North End and Back Bay neighborhoods are relatively spotless, with few or no boarded-up businesses. It's all quite lovely. I can't tell you how different this feels from what I experience regularly in San Francisco's relatively barren Financial District. Actually, I think I just did.
There are a variety of factors at play here. San Francisco has more homeless people than Boston. The weather is temperate, so it attracts more people year-round. Boston shuffles its homeless population to the outskirts, leaving places like Roxbury to deal with the crisis. There's a place they call "Methadone Mile" here that sure sounds familiar. So, don't get me wrong. This is not Shangri-La on the banks of the Charles River.
But Boston seems to understand a core fact that appears lost on San Francisco's civic leaders. If you're going to be a world-class city that attracts the best and brightest business travelers and competes with destinations like Paris and Rome for tourist dollars, you can't let your downtown core be an open air drug market. You just can't. It should be clean and policed and free of threatening elements. Boston clearly believes this. Same can be said for New York City. A recent trip to Dallas revealed the same. Society's problems remain, but they're not front and center.
An editorial in the Boston Globe earlier this year drew the comparison, saying, "Boston's street homelessness rate, as measured by last year's census, was under 4 percent. By comparison, San Francisco, roughly the same size of Boston with a similar high cost of living, has a street homelessness rate of over 60 percent." Recent counts show just under 8,000 people are currently homeless in San Francisco. In Boston, over 2,000 people are estimated to be homeless on any given night.
I won't pretend to be an expert on Boston's homelessness strategies, but some simple research reveals good ideas. To start with, the state of Massachusetts is a right-to-shelter state for families. According to the Boston Foundation, a nonprofit focused on equity issues, "Right to shelter is a mandate that requires a state or municipality to provide temporary emergency shelter to every man, woman and child who is eligible for services, every night. Massachusetts has been a right to shelter state since 1983. Only two other U.S. jurisdictions have right to shelter mandates: New York City and the District of Columbia."
Ive seen other conversations about Drug use in SF that mostly revolve around- its their right to do what they want with their bodies, even if they die in the streets. Its a public sidewalk, not public proerties- tents are okay.
On a cold, sunny day not too long ago, I went to see the city’s new Tenderloin Center for drug addicts on Market Street. It’s downtown, an open-air chain-link enclosure in what used to be a public plaza. On the sidewalks all around it, people are lying on the ground, twitching. There’s a free mobile shower, laundry, and bathroom station emblazoned with the words dignity on wheels. A young man is lying next to it, stoned, his shirt riding up, his face puffy and sunburned. Inside the enclosure, services are doled out: food, medical care, clean syringes, referrals for housing. It’s basically a safe space to shoot up. The city government says it’s trying to help. But from the outside, what it looks like is young people being eased into death on the sidewalk, surrounded by half-eaten boxed lunches.
Stepping over people’s bodies, blurring my eyes to not see a dull needle jabbing and jabbing again between toes—it coarsened me. I’d gotten used to the idea that some people just want to live like that. I was even a little defensive of it: Hey, it’s America. It’s your choice.
If these ideas seem facile or perverse, well, they’re not the only ones I’d come to harbor.
I’d gotten used to the crime, rarely violent but often brazen; to leaving the car empty and the doors unlocked so thieves would at least quit breaking my windows. A lot of people leave notes on the glass stating some variation of Nothing’s in the car. Don't smash the windows. One time someone smashed our windows just to steal a scarf. Once, when I was walking and a guy tore my jacket off my back and sprinted away with it, I didn’t even shout for help. I was embarrassed—what was I, a tourist? Living in a failing city does weird things to you. The normal thing to do then was to yell, to try to get help—even, dare I say it, from a police officer—but this felt somehow lame and maybe racist.
This is descriptive, riveting and grim, but ultimately sad personal experiences that don't really match the actual state of the city, and really should not be seen as an overall barometer. Look at stats.
While homelessness and crime are declining and/or plateauing in SF, mass media hysteria is on total overdrive and once again, SFs obit is being written.
Yet having traveled the country quite extensively over the past year for work, I can assure you SF is still very hard to beat, only 2 urban environments in this country actually could do that in my book.
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It goes on and one but yea.. Different mindset 100%. Conversations in Boston are very different.
Yeah? Well crime is up in Boston from this time last year.
This is descriptive, riveting and grim, but ultimately sad personal experiences that don't really match the actual state of the city, and really should not be seen as an overall barometer. Look at stats.
While homelessness and crime are declining and/or plateauing in SF, mass media hysteria is on total overdrive and once again, SFs obit is being written.
Yet having traveled the country quite extensively over the past year for work, I can assure you SF is still very hard to beat, only 2 urban environments in this country actually could do that in my book.
Yeah? Well crime is up in Boston from this time last year.
Levels vs Rates, SF has much higher rates of homelessness than Boston.
There is literally one policy that addresses Homelessness, Housing abundance. Mississippi has lower homelessness rates than California despite being much poorer and a Government that frankly doesn’t give a ****
This is descriptive, riveting and grim, but ultimately sad personal experiences that don't really match the actual state of the city, and really should not be seen as an overall barometer. Look at stats.
While homelessness and crime are declining and/or plateauing in SF, mass media hysteria is on total overdrive and once again, SFs obit is being written.
Yet having traveled the country quite extensively over the past year for work, I can assure you SF is still very hard to beat, only 2 urban environments in this country actually could do that in my book.
Yeah? Well crime is up in Boston from this time last year.
Well the thing is the mindset around homelessness at drug treatment IS different. A person like Chesa really wouldn’t have been elected DA in Boston, rorogressive sure but a borderline radical like Chesa? Unlikely.
Folks will come on here and say Boston is very buttoned up or straight laced or posh and San Francisco is freewheeling or more genuinely progressive or what have you-and then when we see how that actually plays out IRL all of a sudden there’s sour grapes. Hmm…
Unfortunately we have a new regressive DA by the Republican governor who’s taking us back in time. He’s also charging and prosecuting people for crimes that his predecessor had on a 15 crime ‘do not prosecute’ list. That’s more than likely where the 2% increase comes from.
Quincy was white Irish trash until like 2005. Some of my earliest memories are drunken irish guys with a loose tooth hanging out outside the T stops and Quincy Center looking for a fight
Even city on a hill made a reference to this in season 1.
I was in Quincy a few times before 2005 with my family at like comic book stores and stuff downtown and at La Paloma in North Quincy, picking up my brother from some flooring job at Quincy City Hall. It had more white trash but it wasn’t tougher than rough that’s some serious hyperbole. Still largely middle class at that time so far as I could tell.
Quincy T stops had a lot of drug addicts and delinquent type kids at least when I went to work at O Sullivan flooring back in summer 2014.
Levels vs Rates, SF has much higher rates of homelessness than Boston.
There is literally one policy that addresses Homelessness, Housing abundance. Mississippi has lower homelessness rates than California despite being much poorer and a Government that frankly doesn’t give a ****
Yes, and homelessness in San Francisco is declining. Down 3.5% from 2019. That's an improvement, no?
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