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Old 08-08-2023, 07:43 PM
 
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TRIVIA: The first IKEA in the U.S. opened in Philadelphia in 1985, and today, Philadelphia is where the U.S. headquarters are located. The second IKEA opened in Washington D.C. in 1986, and the third opened in Baltimore in 1987. The fourth? Pittsburgh in 1989. Take that, New York!
Ikea chose Philly for their first US store out of various reasons. Many of those discounting NYC simply had to do with finding proper space to suit purposes. When Ikea finally did open in NYC area store was located in Elizabeth, NJ. NYC proper wouldn't get an Ikea store until former dockyards space along Brooklyn waterfront was redeveloped.

https://archive.curbed.com/2014/10/8...ing-powerhouse

https://www.brownstoner.com/developm...20neighborhood.
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Old 08-08-2023, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Back Bay, Boston is went up over landfill in 1859, it really is a bay filled in by land which explains all the rats.

Victorian through Edwardian period saw an explosion of similar development not just in Boston but NYC, and many other urban areas not only in USA but Britain and elsewhere.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Bay,_Boston

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attracti...achusetts.html

Brooklyn Heights was once billed as one of if not the first suburb in USA. Area existed during colonial times and there are still traces of that about.


https://ny.curbed.com/2015/3/18/9982...toric-district

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Heights

https://www.brownstoner.com/history/...ah-pierrepont/


If you know where to look there is lots of things going back to colonial, pre or post Civil War and so on NYC about.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_St...%28Brooklyn%29

https://www.brownstoner.com/real-est...-state-street/

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/...igner-showcase

https://www.6sqft.com/after-two-year...ists-for-7-6m/
That Brooklyn Heights block in the Wikipedia article photo is the closest thing I've seen to the kind of streetscape I've been talking about.

But its architectural style is not quite Colonial.

It's not the isolated Colonial buildings but the unified Colonial streetscapes that I and others maintain New York lacks. So far, I have yet to see evidence refuting my assertion.
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Old 08-08-2023, 09:44 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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That Brooklyn Heights block in the Wikipedia article photo is the closest thing I've seen to the kind of streetscape I've been talking about.

But its architectural style is not quite Colonial.

It's not the isolated Colonial buildings but the unified Colonial streetscapes that I and others maintain New York lacks. So far, I have yet to see evidence refuting my assertion.

Do you mean actually colonial? There's not that much of it in any of the Acela metros. Some other poster cited Back Bay, but Back Bay didn't even exist as land during the colonial period. Georgetown has several buildings, but certainly dwarfed by the much greater number of 19th century buildings. Old City is maybe the best bet.


It's an isolated home rather than a neighborhood, but you might enjoy visiting this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris...3Jumel_Mansion
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Old 08-08-2023, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Do you mean actually colonial? There's not that much of it in any of the Acela metros. Some other poster cited Back Bay, but Back Bay didn't even exist as land during the colonial period. Georgetown has several buildings, but certainly dwarfed by the much greater number of 19th century buildings. Old City is maybe the best bet.


It's an isolated home rather than a neighborhood, but you might enjoy visiting this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris...3Jumel_Mansion
I'm sure I would, Oy, as well as some of the other historic houses others have mentioned here.

But once again: Society Hill! Society Hill! Society Hill!

As that last Street View shows, the neighborhood's housing is not uniformly Colonial in style; on some blocks, Colonial and contemporary play nice with each other, as they do here and here. After all, cities are living organisms, and neighborhoods change their appearance all the time. But the 18th-century Colonial/early-19th-century Federal aesthetic sets the tone for Society Hill in a way I've seen in no New York City neighborhood — or any other Philadelphia neighborhood, or any Boston neighborhood outside Beacon Hill, or anywhere in Washington save some residential streets in Georgetown.

This, btw, is what Old City looks like. Its buildings reflect a slightly later architectural style.

Except, of course, on Elfreth's Alley, the nation's oldest continuously occupied residential street.
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Old 08-08-2023, 10:30 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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I'm sure I would, Oy, as well as some of the other historic houses others have mentioned here.

But once again: Society Hill! Society Hill! Society Hill!

As that last Street View shows, the neighborhood's housing is not uniformly Colonial in style; on some blocks, Colonial and contemporary play nice with each other, as they do here and here. After all, cities are living organisms, and neighborhoods change their appearance all the time. But the 18th-century Colonial/early-19th-century Federal aesthetic sets the tone for Society Hill in a way I've seen in no New York City neighborhood — or any other Philadelphia neighborhood, or any Boston neighborhood outside Beacon Hill, or anywhere in Washington save some residential streets in Georgetown.

This, btw, is what Old City looks like.
You'll find individual or row of colonial / federal style houses in the villages and brooklyn heights like this: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6998...8192?entry=ttu

Not quite what Society Hill has though since there's no cobblestone streets and there have generally been teardowns and replacements of some homes over the ages. The closest is probably South Street Seaport for a block of them alongside cobblestone streets: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7074...8192?entry=ttu

It's not very large though.
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Old 08-08-2023, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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A footnote on the neighborhood where the Jumel-Morris House is located:

I see one other thing you can find in both New York and Philadelphia is a house where Paul Robeson lived.

He lived on Jumel Terrace while he was in New York. He spent his twilight years in this house in West Philadelphia.
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Old 08-08-2023, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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You'll find individual or a small row of colonial / federal style houses in the villages and brooklyn heights like this: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6998...8192?entry=ttu


Not quite what Society Hill has. The closest is probably South Street Seaport for a block of them alongside cobblestone streets: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7074...8192?entry=ttu


It's not very large though.
There's a very nice Federal row right around the corner from your first street view. These are indeed in the neighborhood.

BTW, I added a view of Elfreth's Alley in Old City to my prior post after you responded. You might want to take a look at it. But again, that's one block in a mid-19th-century commercial neighborhood, a true historic artifact whose residents are committed to its preservation.
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Old 08-08-2023, 11:35 PM
 
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NYC has significantly fewer old historic buildings between an inclination to tear the old down and fires early in the city's history.
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Old 08-12-2023, 01:21 AM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Ikea chose Philly for their first US store out of various reasons. Many of those discounting NYC simply had to do with finding proper space to suit purposes. When Ikea finally did open in NYC area store was located in Elizabeth, NJ. NYC proper wouldn't get an Ikea store until former dockyards space along Brooklyn waterfront was redeveloped.

https://archive.curbed.com/2014/10/8...ing-powerhouse

https://www.brownstoner.com/developm...20neighborhood.
I was speaking in terms of metropolitan areas, not cities proper. The Philadelphia IKEA opened in Plymouth Meeting in 1985. The Washington D.C. IKEA opened in Woodbridge in 1986. The Baltimore IKEA opened in Nottingham in 1987. The Pittsburgh IKEA opened in Robinson Township in 1989. All of those metropolitan areas still had IKEA before their store opened in Elizabeth in 1990.
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Old 08-12-2023, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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In NYCs defense, running back a few pages, what cities actually have through running? I cant name one off of the top of my head.
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