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Oh my Lord. There is NOTHING that is going to happen. You think California and Texas are going to rebel or something, what are you talking about? What is that? You have never, in your life, seen a revolution, rebellion, anything like that. I have that experience. That is ridiculous to think anything like that will happen.
You are paranoid. China will not do anything. We are their #1 customer. Oil? Obviously has not affected me, or I would not have a V10 Mercedes... and my neighbor would not have a Suburban... and other Americans are still buying V8s and Hemis and Tahoes and Suburbans and Cadillacs and pickup trucks. Food and water? Grocery stores seem to be fine when I go there.
Mr. Paranoia, there is no way a state will secede, they can not. Texas v. White.
I'm not paranoid about anything. I recognize that anything can happen over the next several decades.
Again, I don't care if you lived through the rise and fall of the Byzantine Empire. Anyone who can sit back in a globalized society in which things are changing every day and proclaim "This or that is NEVER going to happen", as if they know what things will look like 50 years from now, is ignorant. Plain and simple.
That's great that it hasn't affected you. Of course, there is another class of people in the U.S. besides yourself and the people you see driving Cadillacs. What world do you live in?
Do I think that the PRC is going to send bombers over the West Coast? No. But I do believe that the U.S. is already beginning to see its global influence decline, and the vaccum is being filled by a resurgent China, a budding India, and a growing EU.
Also, a heads up: A case "settled" in the 1860's is not going to determine what any state will or will not do if the situation becomes desperate.
its not saying anything. and no i don't overhype the NE.
you and a few others bash the NE in damn near every post you make. myself and a few others correct these types of posts.
let you tell it and the NE is a mass of skyscrapers, crime ridden, decaying streets, rude ppl, and a natureless area. no trees, no parks, no rivers, no suburbs, no rural areas, no sunlight, etc.
all i'm saying is that the ppl of vermont, connecticut, new hampshire, upstate ny, new jersey, etc. would find fault in that argument. hell, you can find hawks (among other wildlife) in nyc, let alone nys.
you are 100% negative about the NE, as are other ppl, and thats fine but if you expect those of us in the NE to agree with your assessment of the NE then you have another thing coming.
call it boosting the region that i was born and raised in but i'm just being honest about the region when i say that we have a ton of history here, we have a lot of nature, we have a lot of natural beauty, etc.
are you..?
If I bash the NE, it's only ever out of firsthand and personal experience. I don't speak about far away regions I know little about. I see the problems every day, and perhaps I vent a bit on citydata, but it is never disingenuous and never fabricated.
There are many nice natural areas in the NE - the Green Mountains, the White Mountains, the Adirondacks, Long Beach Island, Acadia National Park, some of the Dutch country in Pennsylvania is beautiful, etc. There is beauty and ugliness in every region. NJ is also filled with ugliness. You wanted to defend your homeland and that is fine. I understand that.
But NJ has 2 of the 25 most dangerous cities in America (Camden and Newark) and all our other major towns/cities look like literal garbage (Trenton, Paterson, most areas of New Brunswick, IRVINGTON, etc.)
I hear alot of Republicans say that. Why just not vote? And I don't think any state is gonna get enough backing to secede. America is not even CLOSE to the point that a state would NEED(keyword) or want to secede. Alot of the secession talk, was from the heat of the moment ANGRY Republicans who were pissed, and horrified at the election results. It's no different then when ALOT of Democrats said they wanted to flee for Canada during the Bush Administration, or how many Democrats are planing to flee to Canada if Palin runs and wins in 2012. Bottom line is, the US is not in a situation where secession would be necesarry. You I and everyone else are still FREE. This isn't communist China.
I'm not a Republican. I have a complex set of views that range from nationalistic thought on some issues to libertarianism on others. I would vote third party but realistically it has no impact. I vote GOP because at least they A) Support capital punishment B) Are largely against gun control C) Are against increasing cigarette taxes D) Are generally against the more regulatory nannystate approach of the Democrats. They still suck on 99% of the issues.
But when I look at the Republican states like Arizona, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Alabama, South Carolina, Mississippi, etc., as opposed to the Democratic states - New York, Massachusetts, Illinois, New Jersey, Rhode Island, California, Minnesota, etc. - I much prefer the lifestyle/mentality in the red states, so I guess it impacts more on a local level.
As for secession, as you might have guessed, I don't care for partisan politics, so to me, the issue goes way beyond anything involving the Bush or Obama administrations. There's a great book called "The Nine Nations of North America" by Joel Garreau. You should give it a read if you get a chance. In it, he discusses the impracticality of the North American continent's functionality as three nations, and discusses the possibility of much more culturally-sensitive divisions of the United States, Mexico, and Canada.
No, I generally vote Republican as a lesser of two evils, but both major parties are garbage and and exist only to serve financial interests. Obama's garbage, and the Bush administration was laughably impotent as well.
I'm saying that because any government that puts the interests of large corporations before the average citizen, and looks the other way while illegals flood into the country to serve as little more than slave labor for the tycoons is a corrupt government. Any government that levies an income tax on its citizens explicitly against the original designs of the nation's founders is a corrupt government.
And any government which denies a state its sovereign and eternal right to leave a union that has become tyrannical, is a corrupt government.
Texas may or may not secede in the future. The secession movement could start in the South, the Pacific Northwest, or even New England (there are active movements in Vermont and New Hampshire as we speak). Any state that chooses freedom though, I shall support her, whether it's Texas or Alaska.
You know it boggles my mind that Americans haven't figured out that both political parties are only interested in catering to wealthy Americans.
Things need to change or else this great country will fail. I don't think most Americans realize how serious our current political, economic, and social situation is.
Oh my Lord. There is NOTHING that is going to happen. You think California and Texas are going to rebel or something, what are you talking about? What is that? You have never, in your life, seen a revolution, rebellion, anything like that. I have that experience. That is ridiculous to think anything like that will happen.
You are paranoid. China will not do anything. We are their #1 customer. Oil? Obviously has not affected me, or I would not have a V10 Mercedes... and my neighbor would not have a Suburban... and other Americans are still buying V8s and Hemis and Tahoes and Suburbans and Cadillacs and pickup trucks. Food and water? Grocery stores seem to be fine when I go there.
Mr. Paranoia, there is no way a state will secede, they can not. Texas v. White.
I'm sorry but your living in a dream world if you don't think Americans are hurting. College grads are largely unemployed. Millions of Americans are laid off. Many who have jobs are having to maintain strict budgets just to stay afloat.
This system of having an underclass used strictly to serve an upper class is not working.
I'm sorry but your living in a dream world if you don't think Americans are hurting. College grads are largely unemployed. Millions of Americans are laid off. Many who have jobs are having to maintain strict budgets just to stay afloat.
This system of having an underclass used strictly to serve an upper class is not working.
It is called a recession, not a freaking revolution, rebellion, or apocalypse like ReluctantGardenStater is making it seem like. He probably dug himself a 2 mile deep underground dungeon for Y2K.
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