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Me too! I won't go back down to live, but will gladly make the trip to visit dear friends who are still in touch after all these years. I just make those trips in the early Spring or late Fall; Southern summers kill me and it doesn't matter if it is Vegas, Dallas, Phoenix, Biloxi, Pensacola, or Raleigh; it's all too darn hot for me!
When I lived in Pittsburgh, I got to see firsthand what living in an "old historic walkable" neighborhood was like. It did not appeal to me. I do not enjoy being crammed into public transportation with strangers, limited in route choices by the decisions some bureaucrat makes. Having a car is, in my opinion, a key aspect of the American experience, and it is liberating. Why in the living hell would I want to live like people did in 1800's before the advent of modern transportation? That is what this whole "walkability" mantra sounds like to me - it makes life unnecessarily difficult.
Because people like me left for greener pastures elsewhere. I have no agenda - I went where the opportunities were, where life seemed better and more livable. I could really give a damn if a city is "rich in history" - if I don't enjoy living there, the average age of the buildings or the number of museums per capita is of no concern to me.
I also don't consider "sprawl" to be a four-letter word like some. What urban elitists see as "sprawl", I see as a plethora of shopping and recreational opportunities in easy reach, coupled with highly affordable, yet high-quality and new homes. Easy choice, in my opinion.
loillan, I can whole-heartedly agree with these statements of yours.
Very intereseting, y'all. Some great stuff floating around here. Anyways, I see three major reasons why you all love sunbelt living:
1. Affordability
2. Frustration with northern cities
3. Giltziness/weather/fashionable place to live/etc.
So, it looks like that the north needs to streamline city/state government to win over many southerners, because we are aleady more affordable than the south, and we also need to do a better job advertizing ourselves to win the "that's hot" factor the south currently has. I really don't understand how y'all can use "culture" as an excuse for living there, because the north is far more "cultured" than the south, and most all of the little bit of culture the south has is based on either slavery, racism, or supression/discrimination/intolerance against minorities. But still, the south wins, and I don't see why.
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Very intereseting, y'all. Some great stuff floating around here. Anyways, I see three major reasons why you all love sunbelt living:
1. Affordability
2. Frustration with northern cities
3. Giltziness/weather/fashionable place to live/etc.
So, it looks like that the north needs to streamline city/state government to win over many southerners, because we are aleady more affordable than the south, and we also need to do a better job advertizing ourselves to win the "that's hot" factor the south currently has. I really don't understand how y'all can use "culture" as an excuse for living there, because the north is far more "cultured" than the south, and most all of the little bit of culture the south has is based on either slavery, racism, or supression/discrimination/intolerance against minorities. But still, the southwins, and I don't see why.
And you likely never will with your preconceived notions about our culture and what people want from where they choose to live. Your assertions here I find ridiculous.
The Upper Midwest is already more affordable than the South? Says who?
Some people don't care about culture and identity and like the familiarity of chain stores and cheap housing of many sunbelt areas. Different strokes for different folks.
Personally, I see almost nothing good about this region. Why do you all that defend it do so?
the sun.
In all seriousness, though, if I were the sort of person to say, "I see nothing good about the rust belt", I would be forced to acknowledge that the problem was actually with me, not with the rust belt.
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the sun.
In all seriousness, though, if I were the sort of person to say, "I see nothing good about the rust belt", I would be forced to acknowledge that the problem was actually with me, not with the rust belt.
Exactly. Otherwise, you would have to cloak your envy and desperation in statements like culture and identity only exist outside the South and that anyone that moves here must be some lowbrow that only cares about cheap housing and the familiarity of big box retailers.
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Where i live, at least. It's not even close to humid.
