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View Poll Results: Chicago vs. Philadelphia
Chicago 568 65.21%
Philadelphia 303 34.79%
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Old 04-17-2020, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Rowhomes aren't a "style," they're a housing type. There are literally countless ways to style a rowhome, just as there are countless ways to style a detached single-family home.
There are varieties of rowhousing. The renown NYC Brownstone and Bostonian Terraced style
SF Victorian era Queen Ann as the Painted Ladies. and others given a popular name over Architecure style its front may have.

Philly alone has styles listed that spread thru different eras.

https://philadelphiaencyclopedia.org...ve/row-houses/

https://www-oldhouseonline-com.cdn.a...ouse-glossary?

So lots if ways to differenciate. Even though even just close and fully separated similar homes can get called Rowhousing. I'd say most see fully very similar to dame replicted and even mass-built blocks many blocks out if common bulk material as the same time, are true rows fully attached.

No city stands out as that poster-boy of the true Rowhome. That no one will debate isn't? Is Philly and smaller Baltimore. Other cities lessor %s to few.

It can be picking straws on styles and common names created and a architectural style recognized.

But in Philly. You know instantly it is a Rowhome. Common styles replicated block after block. Other styles or even unattached homes have separated homes built more in bulk too by block. But manytimes adding decorative features that also differing brick or stone facades and colors craftsmans added wealthier.

Philly did many row of identical facades as common ones we see today in by block and though eras differ. Wealthier and later 20th centural styles added green frontage to yards or literally front yards too.

Another aspect that Philly's stand out with? Is the narrowest streets of our US major-city in street-grid of many row blocks and especially. alley-sized streets common even after the Colonial period.

I can pretty well tell if its a Philly Row, Baltimore one by streets and even NYC to Boston etc.

Chicago has its patchy attached varieties too. Most by far more unattached. Then I do not see them as rowhome. Even uts bungaliw-belt was totally separate homes built in bulk too. Older Worker-cottage homes and greystones.

Chi chose other varieties over true rows by todays standard.

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Old 04-17-2020, 01:25 PM
 
Location: MontCo, PA
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I live in the oldest neighborhood in Northwest Philly, Germantown.

Only two of stevielake's five Street Views are from a Northwest Philly neighborhood, and those two are from the same one: Andorra, the northernmost part of Roxborough, on the other side of the Wissahickon Creek valley. That neighborhood is very much suburban in character.

So are the neighborhoods depicted in views 1 and 5. Those two are in Northeast Philadelphia, the last part of the city to get fully built out, sometime in the 1970s.

View 1 is in Bustleton, a suburban neighborhood that grew out of an old country crossroads in the Far Northeast.

View 5 is in the neighborhood to Bustleton's north, Somerton, the neighborhood at the northwest corner of Northeast Philadelphia. Where Chestnut Hill and Mt. Airy are affluent, and Andorra almost as affluent, the Northeast in general is the bastion of the middle-middle class — and it's also the part of the city where immigrants from abroad are settling first now. Most of those new immigrants live in its older parts, south of Cottman Avenue in the Lower Northeast, but Somerton and Bustleton have a notable concentration of Russian emigres, who have lived up that way for some time now. Center City residents especially look down their noses at the Northeast, and some longtime Northeast residents used to boast about never having gone into the city center.

View 4 is in a neighborhood at the very top of North Philadelphia, East Oak Lane. This is perhaps the city's best-kept secret: an affluent neighborhood of large freestanding Colonials, Dutch Colonials, and Tudors built between roughly 1900 and 1930. And all of those affluent residents are African-American.
I apologize for not listing the areas, will keep that in mind for the future! I'm still learning about this forum.

Andorra is my old neighborhood. when my phone is up and working (battery died -- apple is closed), I will be more than happy to ride around there and take photos.
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Old 04-17-2020, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I love the street you posted here! What section in Chicago is this? I would stop by in my next visit. I went a little further down and counted 5 places in total where I could pick up a meal. Is there any in particular you would recommend? https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8442...7i16384!8i8192

Reminds me of 5th St which is about a 10 miniute drive from my house. Assortment of different ethnic restaurants. A diverse area, asian, PR, and AA. If you're ever in town, visit 5th St , lots of great shops and eateries .

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0282...7i16384!8i8192
That Chicago neighborhood I used - "Little Village" is a predominately Mexican one and over 80% Mexican today.

It's main commercial corridor is the downtown strip "La Villita" meaning Little Village, runs along 26th Street between Sacramento and Pulaski with weekend festivals, bars, shops, and its popular - taquerías. It is also why Chicago rates high for Mexican food.

Little Village/S Lawndale - was originally settled by Eastern European and Czech and Bohemian immigrants in the late 19th century and became known as - the Czech Californa. It then saw a marked increase in Polish immigrants in the mid-20th century. Mexican residents began to settle it then into the 60s.

South Lawndale being more stable. In order to separate the image of. - South Lawndale from - North Lawndale as it “became black,” the area was renamed "Little Village" to represent the backgrounds of many Eastern Europeans who lived in the area. A sharp racial boundary between the two neighborhoods still exists today as it is predominately Hispanic.

Being I do not live in Chicago for years now. I can't give much recommending places in this area today. I also was less familiar with the southern half of the city then. If you did a Chicago trip? Post in the Chicago forum on ethnic areas you are interested in.
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Old 04-18-2020, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Being I saw I misspoke in saying the Chicago Southwest side neighborhood of Edison Park, in saying it was more Suburban AS A - Northwest Philly and lost. - Chicago's typical street-grid with alleys in back as standard.

I found it by far still on Chicago's grid. It just has more the 50s mid-century Chicago home-styles. Still the typical lot-size and 50s 60s style bungalow/ranch homes.

Though to me still the square-ish brick homes and typical common Pale-PINK brick that was the staple by the 50s even 40s began. Fronts got the decorative brick varieties and awning trimmings common. The awning was not seen as a architectural perversion.

7255 N Octavia Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/qF7ff5iTehijp6Ud7

Here some common styles on the typical same lot size. The typical early 20th century bungalow got a larger 2nd story addition. The city generally shuns perverting them ( though Edison Park is not typical official bungalow-belt Chicago. But these would be more acceptable then some. But still seen as a. - perversion.

6720 N Octavia Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/eANF3JnMX23a1SZk7

6530 N Oxford Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/1a3W38BE9YQKN5mW7

6601 N Octavia Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/4uq4JYxNThFpuXWB7

Some back off alleys could have smaller to little in a green yardage as this one w/garage has a lessor back that a garage steals a lot of.

Chicago, Illinois
https://maps.app.goo.gl/pXagcdyR6wrkKN5DA

Others did have green in back in degrees. Garages a big culprit to shrink them.

Chicago, Illinois in alley view
https://maps.app.goo.gl/YXabWvSfUWipHCQ47

Some do in degees and as areas got a extra couple feet larger lots too. Most is in the homes srt back a bit more too.

Chicago, Illinois in alley view
https://maps.app.goo.gl/YXabWvSfUWipHCQ47

Some backs then not worth someones time do much with.

Chicago, Illinois off alley view.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/tEwAmuNtRHQto8UY9

Areas begin to show age as streets and alleys don't have the city repave then too quick. But Chicago's placement of ugley power-ines thru its alleys. Also improved streetscapes immensely. Add standard sidwalks meshing perfectly and uniform curved shallow curbing and the green. It remained a "City in a Garden.

Many take on more a suburban-look because of grand frontage. Especially if frontage was greater and homes a bit further set back by builders trying for more that effect.

The grid still survived in Edison Park w/alleys till the suburbs. This lessened Chicago really having the larger lots of winding suburban stretches or wide lots that scream a totally suburban build as much of Northwest Philly.

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Old 04-18-2020, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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I love the street you posted here! What section in Chicago is this? I would stop by in my next visit. I went a little further down and counted 5 places in total where I could pick up a meal. Is there any in particular you would recommend? https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8442...7i16384!8i8192

Reminds me of 5th St which is about a 10 miniute drive from my house. Assortment of different ethnic restaurants. A diverse area, asian, PR, and AA. If you're ever in town, visit 5th St , lots of great shops and eateries .

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0282...7i16384!8i8192
Your Street View is in Olney, though you're facing the Zona del Oro, further south (North 5th between roughly Lehigh and Erie avenues).

North 5th Street in Philadelphia is the commercial epicenter for two relatively recent immigrant communities: Latin American and Hispanic Caribbean immigrants to the south (Zona del Oro) and Koreans to the north (Olney). The Koreans were among the earliest of the waves of immigrants from abroad that have been responsible for a good chunk of Philadelphia's resurgence since the 1990s; they actually started arriving in significant numbers in the mid-1980s. Their arrival produced some friction with the mostly African-American residents already in the area, but things settled down and the two groups live pretty harmoniously now. However, as the Koreans' children get better jobs, they're also leaving this neighborhood; they appear to be heading due north into Cheltenham Township, where a Korean business strip has sprung up along Cheltenham Avenue from about 5th to Broad streets.

The owner of the former Pathmark, now an IGA, on Germantown's west side is Korean-American. His neighbors had to school him on local tastes and preferences, but he was very attentive and adjusted the merchandise mix to meet them.

I can get to Olney on one of two bus routes that run between it and Germantown in 15 minutes or so. You can't live all that far from me, though if you're driving, I'm going to guess you live east or north of it.

Many Philadelphians wrongly think they are in Olney when they get off the Broad Street Subway at Olney station, which is named for the cross street (Olney Avenue), which in turn heads east from there to the neighborhood and west from there to Germantown (where it ends at the Germantown border; it continues into the neighborhood as Chew Avenue). When they get off the subway at Olney, they're in Logan east of Broad Street and Ogontz west of it.
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Old 04-18-2020, 09:21 AM
 
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Being I saw I misspoke in saying the Chicago Southwest side neighborhood of Edison Park, in saying it was more Suburban AS A - Northwest Philly and lost. - Chicago's typical street-grid with alleys in back as standard.

I found it by far still on Chicago's grid. It just has more the 50s mid-century Chicago home-styles. Still the typical lot-size and 50s 60s style bungalow/ranch homes.

Though to me still the square-ish brick homes and typical common Pale-PINK brick that was the staple by the 50s even 40s began. Fronts got the decorative brick varieties and awning trimmings common. The awning was not seen as a architectural perversion.

7255 N Octavia Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/qF7ff5iTehijp6Ud7

Here some common styles on the typical same lot size. The typical early 20th century bungalow got a larger 2nd story addition. The city generally shuns perverting them ( though Edison Park is not typical official bungalow-belt Chicago. But these would be more acceptable then some. But still seen as a. - perversion.

6720 N Octavia Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/eANF3JnMX23a1SZk7

6530 N Oxford Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/1a3W38BE9YQKN5mW7

6601 N Octavia Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/4uq4JYxNThFpuXWB7

Some back off alleys could have smaller to little in a green yardage as this one w/garage has a lessor back that a garage steals a lot of.

Chicago, Illinois
https://maps.app.goo.gl/pXagcdyR6wrkKN5DA

Others did have green in back in degrees. Garages a big culprit to shrink them.

Chicago, Illinois in alley view
https://maps.app.goo.gl/YXabWvSfUWipHCQ47

Some do in degees and as areas got a extra couple feet larger lots too. Most is in the homes srt back a bit more too.

Chicago, Illinois in alley view
https://maps.app.goo.gl/YXabWvSfUWipHCQ47

Some backs then not worth someones time do much with.

Chicago, Illinois off alley view.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/tEwAmuNtRHQto8UY9

Areas begin to show age as streets and alleys don't have the city repave then too quick. But Chicago's placement of ugley power-ines thru its alleys. Also improved streetscapes immensely. Add standard sidwalks meshing perfectly and uniform curved shallow curbing and the green. It remained a "City in a Garden.

Many take on more a suburban-look because of grand frontage. Especially if frontage was greater and homes a bit further set back by builders trying for more that effect.

The grid still survived in Edison Park w/alleys till the suburbs. This lessened Chicago really having the larger lots of winding suburban stretches or wide lots that scream a totally suburban build as much of Northwest Philly.
Nice picure of Octavia Avenue, although when considering camera distortion, those lawns are likely much smaller than they appear...
I think the blueprints for 1920s-1930s bungalows were available in Sears catologues, and they became the cheap alternative to two-and three-flat apt buildings. Of course, in postwar America, the trend in American life was to move to the subirbs, and get yourself a ranch or (later) a split-level..
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Old 04-18-2020, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Nice picure of Octavia Avenue, although when considering camera distortion, those lawns are likely much smaller than they appear...
I think the blueprints for 1920s-1930s bungalows were available in Sears catologues, and they became the cheap alternative to two-and three-flat apt buildings. Of course, in postwar America, the trend in American life was to move to the subirbs, and get yourself a ranch or (later) a split-level..
Yes, the fronts look bigger in bit of distortion. I had a affinity to these 20th mid-century modern bungalow/ranch homes. Usually, they just get called a Brick Chicago Ranch. Since the term bungalow went out of favor.

But for the 20s 30s versions. Being a Chicago bungalow is its pride and respected.

The 50s 60s ones as my first streetview showed. I will always remember my relatives having one with its platinum-color woodwork and pale pink kitchen appliances and bathroom tub.
They are TIMELESS to me. Well built and easy to upkeep and little upkeep needed. Some had staeless steel storm window and most dud at keadt a stainless cuty front door mist still have. Mist entered in back so the front never wore out.
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Old 04-18-2020, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Yes, the fronts look bigger in bit of distortion. I had a affinity to these 20th mid-century modern bungalow/ranch homes. Usually, they just get called a Brick Chicago Ranch. Since the term bungalow went out of favor.
In terms of dimensions, they're more bungalows than ranches...

...but one of the sources of confusion is: Traditional bungalows had a small second story under their sloping roofs. A dormer mid-slope announced its presence.
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Old 04-19-2020, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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In terms of dimensions, they're more bungalows than ranches...

...but one of the sources of confusion is: Traditional bungalows had a small second story under their sloping roofs. A dormer mid-slope announced its presence.
True,
Got 2 example homes for sale on the Northwest side if Chicago I knew when living there.

https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...-19058?view=qv

Called a typical bungalow built 1923.

Portage Park Northwest side
Termed a - Classic Chicago Bungalow

Looks pretty updated inside nicely.
Sale price list $375,000, Tax $4,680
BD5. 1,339 sq/ft House - Lot size 3,750 sq/ft garage



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5.../3633511_zpid/

Called a Raised Ranch - built 1952.

Taxes something funky happened 2010 $5,233 to $3,762 to 1,320 in 2018.

Sale Price- $354,900 3 bd 2 ba - smallish 1,100 sqft - Lot 3,750 sq/ft.

FORGOT - a plus is a fully finished basement not counted in its sq/footage. So it enlarges this house.

Again, same lot size as either 1920s bungalow or 1950s called a Raised Ranch. But one gets the bungalow term and rarely if at all a bungalow for the mid-century. It is their way for mid-century versions.

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Old 04-19-2020, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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True,
Got 2 example homes for sale on the Northwest side if Chicago I knew when living there.

https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...-19058?view=qv

Called a typical bungalow built 1923.

Portage Park Northwest side
Termed a - Classic Chicago Bungalow

Looks pretty updated inside nicely.
Sale price list $375,000, Tax $4,680
BD5. 1,339 sq/ft House - Lot size 3,750 sq/ft garage



https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5.../3633511_zpid/

Called a Raised Ranch - built 1952.

Taxes something funky happened 2010 $5,233 to $3,762 to 1,320 in 2018.

Sale Price- $354,900 3 bd 2 ba - smallish 1,100 sqft - Lot 3,750 sq/ft.


Again, same lot size as either 1920s bungalow or 1950s called a Raised Ranch. But one gets the bungalow term and rarely if at all a bungalow for the mid-c. It is their way I gumid-century versions.
Even though I said what I said above, I can also see a defense for the "raised ranch" term for houses like the one on Melvina Avenue.

"Ranch" because it has the roof profile associated with that house style, a shallow peaked roof, and because it's all on one floor.

"Raised" because you have to climb steps to enter it; ranch houses usually have floors that are level with the ground.

What distinguishes these from traditional ranch houses are their narrow fronts.
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