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actually, it's not his opinion...it is fact. Historically, demographically, culturally, climatologically, and by modern standards, virginia is in every, way, shape, and form, a southern state. It was the first southern state, as a matter of a fact. As to richmond, virginia, and newport news, the only thing that separates those cities from the ones in north carolina is that they are smaller and not as influenced by appalachia. They feel pretty similar in culture, accents, etc. Richmond is culturally, speech-pattern wise, historically, and demographically very different from d.c., baltimore, and philadelphia.
I said as far as I'm concerned. But to someone else you're probably making perfect sense.
well I didn't say you said Dallas wasn't southern, but you were implying it's not that southern. Which I totally disagree with.
The same thing has been said about Houston and Atlanta. And transplants can't dillute anything. They just make it harder to find.
Haha..but see the difference is that you won't find a black, born and bred Dallasite who doesn't claim the south. You WILL find black Virginians that have never considered themselves southerners. I know because I have heard it.
These things do not make the South. They can be characteristic of it.
Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy...a point that has been ran in the ground. And a point that alone does not automatically make it southern. With that logic, Richmond is more southern than Jackson, MS. And that idea would be plain ludicrous.
I meant southern pines, but okay.
Got ya.
The simple fact Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy shows that it leaned Southern. Not to mention, Virginia was a slave state that legitimately seceded from the Union and most of its citizens supported the Confederacy. Virginia's economy depended on slavery, and its crops were all Southern...cotton, tobacco, etc. If Richmond being the capital of the Confederacy, not to mention its being Southern before and after the Civil War, isn't enough to make it Southern, then I guess by your definition there isn't such a thing as Southern. I have been to Richmond numerous times, as well as driven through Virginia. Not once did I ever question being in the South. Virginia feels, looks, and acts like a Southern state. That has been the case since its creation. Except for Northern Virginia, which lies at the southern limit of the Bos-Wash corridor, the rest of the state is without a doubt Southern. It is culturally not at all a part of the Bos-Wash corridor or the Mid-Atlantic/Northeast. Kentucky is also pretty much similar in that it has Midwestern influences, but is definitively Southern in most of the state and its major cities. The part of Northern Kentucky that is in the Cincinnati metro area is only the part of the state that leans more Midwestern than Southern.
Yeah except for one thing, Fayetteville and Dallas are actually southern.
As are all the rest of those cities.
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Look, I've lived in the South my ENTIRE life, so I feel as if I'm more than qualified to say what is and what isn't southern.
So have I, so I'm equally as qualified as you.
In your mind, it seems that there is only one "way" to be Southern, but there have always been different variations of what it means to be "Southern," all of them equally valid.
well I didn't say you said Dallas wasn't southern, but you were implying it's not that southern. Which I totally disagree with.
The same thing has been said about Houston and Atlanta. And transplants can't dillute anything. They just make it harder to find.
They are the south, no disputing that.
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Haha..but see the difference is that you won't find a black, born and bred Dallasite who doesn't claim the south. You WILL find black Virginians that have never considered themselves southerners. I know because I have heard it.
What part of VA were they from? I have some cousins in Hampton and Bad News that would gladly beg to differ.
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These things do not make the South. They can be characteristic of it.
Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy...a point that has been ran in the ground. And a point that alone does not automatically make it southern. With that logic, Richmond is more southern than Jackson, MS. And that idea would be plain ludicrous.
How so? Have you even been to Richmond to make such an assertion? It's not 'Deep South,' (I lived in Jackson, MS for years, so I know what 'Deep South' is) but there is no denying that Richmond is a southern city. I hope you don't think that it's the Midwest or Northeastern. What makes a southern city 'southern' to you?
Obviously, we're going to have to agree to disagree about this. If you think that VA's history with the slave trade and its role in the Confederacy and the state's cash crops (Tobacco/Peanuts etc.) are not 'southern' enough for you, and think that its "ludicrous" that Richmond is 'southern,' there is nothing further I can tell you. Can't let mere things like facts get in the way of an argument I guess.
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The simple fact Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy shows that it leaned Southern. Not to mention, Virginia was a slave state that legitimately seceded from the Union and most of its citizens supported the Confederacy. Virginia's economy depended on slavery, and its crops were all Southern...cotton, tobacco, etc. If Richmond being the capital of the Confederacy, not to mention its being Southern before and after the Civil War, isn't enough to make it Southern, then I guess by your definition there isn't such a thing as Southern. I have been to Richmond numerous times, as well as driven through Virginia. Not once did I ever question being in the South.
Haha..but see the difference is that you won't find a black, born and bred Dallasite who doesn't claim the south. You WILL find black Virginians that have never considered themselves southerners. I know because I have heard it.
I've never come across a born and bred (not transplant) Black Virginian that ever considered themselves anything other than Southern, and I've come across my fair share.
I'd say Richmond would be the most southern, Hampton Roads somewhere in the middle, and NoVa being the least southern between the three.
I would agree with that assessment, but "country" does not mean "Southern" (nycricanpapi used the term "country"). There are "country" areas in all regions of the US, and the South definitely has urban areas.
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