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View Poll Results: Which City is more Urban???
Miami 137 51.89%
Houston 43 16.29%
Dallas 28 10.61%
Atlanta 56 21.21%
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:02 PM
 
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Suburban is suburban. West Houston is suburban; not urban.
Maybe I shouldn't call it West Houston. Maybe River Oaks and that area would be a better comparison - but the lots here are MUCH larger in the expensive neighborhoods than what I have seen in pictures of whatever that really nice neighborhood is near The Galleria.

It doesn't just "magically" turn urban when you cross into the inner loop.

It's the same thing here. Sandy Springs lies on both sides of 285. Some of the neighborhoods appear to be suburban, but I, and many other people consider SS to not be suburban. At all.
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:03 PM
 
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Have even been to Dallas? If you had, I doubt you compare far north Dallas with Sandy Springs. Nothing alike.

Atlantaguy, have you ever been to Dallas?



Inner-Ring suburban areas that started in the 60s and 70s? With pockets of commercial development? They're more alike than they are different. Any differences between the two would be splitting hairs.

I've been to Dallas many times. Do you want to see the receipts?
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:04 PM
 
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^Actually, Sandy Springs got started in the 50's. IF it is suburban, it is a very mature suburb.
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:05 PM
 
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^Actually, Sandy Springs got started in the 50's. IF it is suburban, it is a very mature suburb.

I can agree with that!
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Maybe I shouldn't call it West Houston. Maybe River Oaks and that area would be a better comparison - but the lots here are MUCH larger in the expensive neighborhoods than what I have seen in pictures of whatever that really nice neighborhood is near The Galleria.

It doesn't just "magically" turn urban when you cross into the inner loop.

It's the same thing here. Sandy Springs lies on both sides of 285. Some of the neighborhoods appear to be suburban, but I, and many other people consider SS to not be suburban. At all.
Wow.....SS is urban???? That's a new one.

River Oaks is also a neighborhood in Houston; not a suburb. Even for it to have large lots, it's still more walkable and dense than Sandy Springs.

I know my comment offended some of you (I still stand by it though). However, in Texas our suburbs are structured differently than ones in GA. Our suburbs are dense and have houses on small lots. Our exurbs are usually rural with houses on large lots. Similar lots like the ones in SS. You don't see that type of development like in SS around Dallas or Houston until your about 30-50 miles from the city limits.
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:10 PM
 
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Wow.....SS is urban???? That's a new one.

River Oaks is also a neighborhood in Houston; not a suburb. Even for it to have large lots, it's still more walkable and dense than Sandy Springs.

I know my comment offended some of you (I still stand by it though). However, in Texas our suburbs are structured differently than ones in GA. Our suburbs are dense and have houses on small lots. Our exurbs are usually rural with houses on large lots. Similar lots like the ones in SS. You don't see that type of development like in SS around Dallas or Houston until your about 30-50 miles from the city limits.

No argument that the suburbs of DFW and Houston are more dense than the suburbs of Atlanta. However, I still stand by the fact you still need to visit Atlanta before you make such absurd claims that SS is "exurban" by any means. Lots may be larger on this side of the Mississippi, but to define the area as being similar to an exurb is still ludicrous.
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:12 PM
 
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Wow.....SS is urban???? That's a new one.

River Oaks is also a neighborhood in Houston; not a suburb. Even for it to have large lots, it's still more walkable and dense than Sandy Springs.

I know my comment offended some of you (I still stand by it though). However, in Texas our suburbs are structured differently than ones in GA. Our suburbs are dense and have houses on small lots. Our exurbs are usually rural with houses on large lots. Similar lots like the ones in SS. You don't see that type of development like in SS around Dallas or Houston until your about 30-50 miles from the city limits.
Wait a minute here. You are starting to make statements that you would only know are accurate if you had actually been here. How do you know that River Oaks is more walkable and dense than Sandy Springs? How could you POSSIBLY know this?

Wealthy people in North Georgia like land around their mansions. There are ESTATES in Buckhead and Sandy Springs that are multiple acres. You don't find this in too many other urban areas - it's pretty unique to here, and I have been to most major American cities.

But to spout off about details like you are, is a HUGE reach for someone that admits he has never been here.
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:17 PM
 
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No argument that the suburbs of DFW and Houston are more dense than the suburbs of Atlanta. However, I still stand by the fact you still need to visit Atlanta before you make such absurd claims that SS is "exurban" by any means. Lots may be larger on this side of the Mississippi, but to define the area as being similar to an exurb is still ludicrous.
True, but I never said SS was exurban. I said it resembled the exurbs in Texas; which it does. There was no exaggeration to what I said because it was pretty much how I see it. You even have people move here from from GA or even other parts of Texas and are disgusted by the small lots and always comment about how back home they had much more space for cheaper prices. You can't get a house on a large lot in Houston unless you plan to pay a lot (inner city parts) or want to live far out.
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:19 PM
 
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Wait a minute here. You are starting to make statements that you would only know are accurate if you had actually been here. How do you know that River Oaks is more walkable and dense than Sandy Springs? How could you POSSIBLY know this?

Wealthy people in North Georgia like land around their mansions. There are ESTATES in Buckhead and Sandy Springs that are multiple acres. You don't find this in too many other urban areas - it's pretty unique to here, and I have been to most major American cities.

But to spout off about details like you are, is a HUGE reach for someone that admits he has never been here.
Google streetview

I don't have to actually visit a place and attempt to walk on the side of the curb (because it lacks lots of sidewalks) to determine if it's walkable or not.

I'm not judging the culture or the city itself; I'm judging how the city is planned.
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:21 PM
 
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True, but I never said SS was exurban. I said it resembled the exurbs in Texas; which it does. There was no exaggeration to what I said because it was pretty much how I see it. You even have people move here from from GA or even other parts of Texas and are disgusted by the small lots and always comment about how back home they had much more space for cheaper prices. You can't get a house on a large lot in Houston unless you plan to pay a lot (inner city parts) or want to live far out.

Whoops, I meant "resembles an exurb" . When you say "resembles an exurb," do you mean just by the large lots that the houses sit on alone? Because there are several parts of SS that have large apartment complexes and heavily developed commercial zones. What exurbs of DFW have that type of development?


The lots in the suburbs of DFW and Houston are waaay smaller, but at least most of those houses have privacy fences. Something that I see a serious lack of in the Atlanta suburbs.
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