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Old 12-20-2012, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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First Cincinnati voted democratic(like the last 20 yrs) and has the fastest growing population for democratic in the state of ohio, second its funny you said that about religion because in many sources i found Cleveland is ranked way above cincinnati in the most religion, in fact surpinsgly southeren Ohio and eastern kentucky and parts of west virginia is almost not religous at all. Third i can name 20 things why cincy is not southeren, this includes people, architecture...ect. You want to know the truth about Cleveland i will tell you 1. Declining population in both city and suburbs and even country ALL THREE THINGS, that says it all. No need to say more. I never heard anyone that grew up in cincy with a southern accent in fact that's like physically possible unless you live in the deep south.
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I don't know what you call it rather than southern accent, maybe twang? In any event, it sounds southern to me. To the political end, sure the city itself may vote democratic, as most cities do, however the immediate surrounding area is extremely right wing conservative. And my opinion about the religious zealoutry down there comes from reports about boycotting modern art exhibits featuring nude photographs, as well as things like the Creation Museum. These opinions may not apply to the city of Cincinnati itself, but I believe they do apply to the surrounding area.
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Old 12-20-2012, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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^less conservative. cincinnati's ultra-conservatism is stifling.

greater cleveland is larger than greater cincinnati. northeast ohio comprises a huge share of the state's economy and population.
Sorry another thing Cleveland just loss, Cincinnati is now the largest metro in Ohio and GROWING unlike Cleveland decline also did some research and found out Cincy has the a larger gay lesbian population then Cleveland.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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Cincinnati skyline
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xHvnLiZfO0...0/P1020616.JPG

Cleveland Skyline
http://images.metroscenes.com/images...nes.com_03.jpg


Cincinnati is much more denser and more high rises then Cleveland. Not to mention Cincinnati has a much more smaller downtown yet larger downtown population. More vibrancy, better skyline, better foods, better museums DOWNTOWN and better retail....example..Tiffany Company, sax Fifth Avenue, Mayses, T,J, max and these retail are actually in the hear of downtown not on the edge.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Belgrade, MT
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I've spent time in both cities and really don't have anything negative to say about either one. Cleveland gets a bad rep which I don't believe is fair. I thought the downtown was "smallish", but nice. The lakefront area and Lakewood section are nice. There's some really nice golf courses 15 minutes west of downtown. I was surprised Cleveland State didn't influence the city more. It's a huge school just east of the major downtown area but feels far removed.

Cincinnati felt like a combo of Pittsburgh and Louisville. The rolling hills and rivers, major college influence etc seemed like a common theme. Like Cleveland, the downtown is small but with more energy. Walking around you don't get the impression you're in a fairly major city. It seemed more like Albany, NY, a small but high energy area.

I like Cleveland because of it's location. You're within a fairly easy drive of the major metro areas of the Northeast and Great Lakes/Upper Midwest.

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Old 12-21-2012, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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....And my opinion about the religious zealoutry down there comes from reports about boycotting modern art exhibits featuring nude photographs, as well as things like the Creation Museum. These opinions may not apply to the city of Cincinnati itself, but I believe they do apply to the surrounding area.
The Mappelthorpe controversy was around 25 years ago. People need to give that a rest.

The Creation Museum is in Kentucky.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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Originally Posted by Cleverfield
....And my opinion about the religious zealoutry down there comes from reports about boycotting modern art exhibits featuring nude photographs, as well as things like the Creation Museum. These opinions may not apply to the city of Cincinnati itself, but I believe they do apply to the surrounding area.
The Creation Museum is about God and Jesus, dude all your doing is contradicting yourself...You say Cincinnait is religous but if they were why would they be boy cotting the creation museum, i ve heard lots of stories about people protesting at cleveland museums for thats same exact stuff you were talking about.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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i ve heard lots of stories about people protesting at cleveland museums for thats same exact stuff you were talking about.
Give me one example...
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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Give me one example...
Protesters oppose sale of Crawford Museum antique cars | cleveland.com

AIPAC protesters gather outside Emanu El - Cleveland Jewish News: Local News: emanu el, protest, anti-defamation league, cleveland, aipac
here
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Cincinnati skyline
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xHvnLiZfO0M/TnZK5E2sPqI/AAAAAAAAAco/2xPEQnde_bk/s1600/P1020616.JPG

Cleveland Skyline
http://images.metroscenes.com/images/2011/cleveland-skyline/cleveland_ohio_skyline_june_2011_metroscenes.com_0 3.jpg


Cincinnati is much more denser and more high rises then Cleveland. Not to mention Cincinnati has a much more smaller downtown yet larger downtown population. More vibrancy, better skyline, better foods, better museums DOWNTOWN and better retail....example..Tiffany Company, sax Fifth Avenue, Mayses, T,J, max and these retail are actually in the hear of downtown not on the edge.
1) I agree Cincy has the best skyline in Ohio; however, you probably could have chosen a better picture for Downtown Cleveland: http://metroscenes.com/cities/cleveland-skyline-june-2011/

2) What are you considering downtown for population? Cincy's CBD is 5000. Cleveland's CBD is twice that at 11600. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Cleveland

http://cdn.urbancincy.com/wp-content...ion-Growth.jpg

Like most downtown's across America, Downtown Cleveland is growing like a weed. Cleveland is forecasting 1,400 new apartment units by 2015, including three 20+ story towers being converted into residential. The average household size for Downtown Cleveland is 2.23...so that could mean 2,800 additional people.

DOWNTOWN CLEVELAND NEW RESIDENTIAL

New apartment units 2012: (147 total units)
Avenue District Luxury Apartments (59 apartments) http://www.zaremba.net/community/index.php?cid=2667
The Langston Apartments -- Building 1 (48 apartments) http://campusdistrictobserver.com/read/2012/09/05/the-langston-welcomes-first-tenants-near-csu

Under Construction: (679 total units)
Embassy Suites hotel into residential @ Reserve Square (232 apartments) -- $3 million www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/10/kd_group_will_close_embassy_su.html
Rosetta Center Building (85 apartments) -- $7 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/06/cleveland_developers_win_prese.html
Hanna Annex Apartments (102 apartments) -- $23 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/12/playhousesquare_to_sell_downto.html
The Langston Apartments -- (270 apartments) remaining -- $54 million http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/06/new_neighborhood_to_rise_on_cl.html


In the pipeline: (369 total units)
East Ohio Building at 1717 East Ninth St (223 apartments) -- $65 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/03/kd_group_plans_to_buy_redevelo.html
1120 Chester Ave (36 apartments) http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2012/crr04-30-2012.pdf
Truman Building at 1030 Euclid (26 apartments) -- $9 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/06/cleveland_developers_win_prese.html
The Park Building and Southworth Building apartments (34 apartments) -- $21 million http://development.ohio.gov/Urban/OHPTC/documents/Round7ApprovedApplications.pdf
Schofield Building (50 apartments) -- $40 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2010/06/four_northeast_ohio_projects_i.html

Planning Stages: (367 total units)
28-story Ameritrust (Breuer) Tower (215 apartments) -- total project $180 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/12/geis_coss_plan_to_build_a_new.html
Flats East Bank Phase II Residential (140 apartments) -- $120 million http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/04/flats_east_bank_project_lines.html
1224 Huron Rd (12 apartments) http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/09/kd_group_closes_hanna_building.html

3) Cincy's downtown retail is very impressive. All we can seem to get are restuarants to fill our storefronts.

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Old 12-21-2012, 09:22 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Which one do you think is more on the rebound? Cleveland lost more than Cincinnati from the 2000 census to the 2010 census, but maybe something else is going on there.

Also, more pictures of urban neighborhoods would help.
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