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It is not,.
Legislation, the creating of Laws , is a direct consequence of freedom. With freedom , citizens have a rational and prescribed course of action to determine what is best for society.
Both buyers and sellers asked to adhere to existing laws are not under the demand of anyone except the process of the elected representatives that make those decisions. That being the Will of the People.
The participation in the marketplace is an acceptance of the conditions that exist. By both buyer and seller.
As long there is a mechanism to change, modify , eliminate or create new Laws, the Free Market economy is preserved.
Don’t like the Law? Present overwhelming evidence to support change. Pretty simple.
Except when those elected officials are incentivized through lobbying to maintain status quo that benefits those behind the lobbying at the expense of the consumer. It's a form of cronyism to enable corporate socialism.
"rational and prescribed course of action to determine what is best for society" it would be if it was a direct democracy which we are not. We are an indirect democracy.
Except when those elected officials are incentivized through lobbying to maintain status quo that benefits those behind the lobbying at the expense of the consumer. It's a form of cronyism to enable corporate socialism.
"rational and prescribed course of action to determine what is best for society" it would be if it was a direct democracy which we are not. We are an indirect democracy.
Really? The entire system is based on lobbyists across the board. So far, after all these years it is said to be at the expense of the consumer ? However no clear preponderance of facts to support a change have been presented. The only change to the present scenario has been one company , fully aware of the Law, that seeks an exception for their own” corporate socialism”.
We live in a Democratic Republic. The Law on the books regarding direct sales by car dealers is long standing, accepted , and adhered to. Sounds like the Will of the People to me.
Sure CT can change the Law. But there needs to be a reasonable basis to do so. Not here, not now.
How is it freedom? I can choose the dealership. There are multiple dealerships within a half. Hour of my home for the brand. I prefer. I have economic freedom to make the best deal I can. I can make a. Deal based on a relationship.
Dealer Direct? One price for all. Turns a customer into a Consumer.
The manufacturers have chosen a path for sales that best benefits their vision to deliver their product as they see fit. The current Law supports that. Not happy ? Go Elsewhere.
Videos? Please.
Cars don’t “ make people poor”. People’s behavior and specific actions place them in positions of potential financial harm.
My 1994 Corolla, bought new in 1994 finally died a few years ago. 195,000 on the original clutch, it was still getting over 30MPG. It. Was in use 7 days a week, all kinds of weather . Never broke down, never needed a tow. No major repairs. Unbelievable vehicle for the cost.
When Tesla and other non hybrid electric vehicles approach anything near that type of performance, I will gladly take a closer look.
Regardless of the finger pointing,, accusations of monopolies and. nonsensical analogies and the like , there isn’’t enough benefit to the citizen to change the existing status quo.
You can only choose the dealership if one is there. It's like sports teams and limits on where they can be. Manufacturers didn't choose a path. If they bypass the middleman so be it. You can't be against Carvana and Vroom now can you?
the videos are legit and frankly car companies make money on financing. Nothing wrong with that but frankly when create no other option of course they would cut out the middle man.
Should we ban email and go back to the post office? Maybe go back to retail and stop shopping online. Corollas are great no argument there.
I'm not even saying Tesla is a great car but the idea that you need to have a company franchise a product, any product and not sell direct is creating bloat where there doesn't need to be any.
This isn't finger pointing and yes it is a monopoly. I provided rational discussions with empirical evidence and..you breath.
Carvana already operates in CT. I know this because my girlfriend bought a car and had it delivered during covid. No need to go to some dealership. Now if they can do that and I'm sure Vroom can so what's the problem now? The issue is they are only allowed to sell used cars, not new.
So if tomorrow morning the head of Ford said they want to get rid of dealerships and sell direct then CT is SOL.
Can you please tell us all what specific value a dealership provides to the company that makes it given everything that has happened? The right to repair bill being a huge issue.
Of course the other thing is is frankly the law prevents a "sale". Technically a long term lease is not a sale. So just price the lease with the right price (most new cars are financed anyway) and that runs around the law. The law was made when most people made cash for cars so it's pretty much gone.
It's not like CT has a strong state government to enforce much of this anyway. The AG office is poor and the IG office doesn't exist.
You have to have competition to drive prices down. In most areas towns might buy of of a state contract but they still ask for quotes. It's not like they just hand over 50K for a cruiser without doing some research.
Is it true that Tesla makes money off of the carbon credits? Yes. But that can only be solved by having other makes make electric vehicles of which they are. So even if the CT law doesn't change the only recourse is to make more EV's. You can't win this argument pal.
The next step would be 5G and self driving and the technology that EV's have is much higher than ICE and that can adapt easier. Then that's where the fun starts. Garages as 1 bedroom apartments, self driving ubur and instacart etc. Solves the housing issue as well, everyone wins.
Really? The entire system is based on lobbyists across the board. So far, after all these years it is said to be at the expense of the consumer ? However no clear preponderance of facts to support a change have been presented. The only change to the present scenario has been one company , fully aware of the Law, that seeks an exception for their own” corporate socialism”.
We live in a Democratic Republic. The Law on the books regarding direct sales by car dealers is long standing, accepted , and adhered to. Sounds like the Will of the People to me.
I'm not saying dealerships shouldn't exist, I'm saying why is that the only model allowed at the behest of direct to consumer offerings. I know you are arguing that cars should only be sold through dealerships because that is the law and you require evidence on why that shouldn't be our system. But what is the benefit to consumers where a large portion of a free marketplace is considered illegal. Direct to consumer is not some large taboo for other industries. What do the dealerships specifically add to the process to warrant their cost? What is so fragile about that system that the alternative of direct to consumer is essentially banned?
Keeping the status quo for the sake of it doesn't mean it is right or beneficial.
You can only choose the dealership if one is there. It's like sports teams and limits on where they can be. Manufacturers didn't choose a path. If they bypass the middleman so be it. You can't be against Carvana and Vroom now can you?
the videos are legit and frankly car companies make money on financing. Nothing wrong with that but frankly when create no other option of course they would cut out the middle man.
Should we ban email and go back to the post office? Maybe go back to retail and stop shopping online. Corollas are great no argument there.
I'm not even saying Tesla is a great car but the idea that you need to have a company franchise a product, any product and not sell direct is creating bloat where there doesn't need to be any.
This isn't finger pointing and yes it is a monopoly. I provided rational discussions with empirical evidence and..you breath.
Carvana already operates in CT. I know this because my girlfriend bought a car and had it delivered during covid. No need to go to some dealership. Now if they can do that and I'm sure Vroom can so what's the problem now? The issue is they are only allowed to sell used cars, not new.
So if tomorrow morning the head of Ford said they want to get rid of dealerships and sell direct then CT is SOL.
Can you please tell us all what specific value a dealership provides to the company that makes it given everything that has happened? The right to repair bill being a huge issue.
Of course the other thing is is frankly the law prevents a "sale". Technically a long term lease is not a sale. So just price the lease with the right price (most new cars are financed anyway) and that runs around the law. The law was made when most people made cash for cars so it's pretty much gone.
It's not like CT has a strong state government to enforce much of this anyway. The AG office is poor and the IG office doesn't exist.
You have to have competition to drive prices down. In most areas towns might buy of of a state contract but they still ask for quotes. It's not like they just hand over 50K for a cruiser without doing some research.
Is it true that Tesla makes money off of the carbon credits? Yes. But that can only be solved by having other makes make electric vehicles of which they are. So even if the CT law doesn't change the only recourse is to make more EV's. You can't win this argument pal.
The next step would be 5G and self driving and the technology that EV's have is much higher than ICE and that can adapt easier. Then that's where the fun starts. Garages as 1 bedroom apartments, self driving ubur and instacart etc. Solves the housing issue as well, everyone wins.
I prefer Toyota as a brand of automobile. There are at least 5 Toyota dealers within 30 minutes of where I live. I’m not against any business model that adheres to current Laws and regulations.
If you think by providing a video in an attempt to educate me, or make me aware , you should realize that I purchased my first new vehicle 50 years ago. Along the way I have purchased so many new cars, and trucks when I was in business, I can hardly remember them all. I would have to write them down.
There are always options unless you paint yourself into a corner. As I stated previously , a person’s behavior and actions are what determines their economic stability or instability.
Analogies to E mails and Retail practices aren’t appropriate ,because someone isn’t looking to deliver US Mail , challenging the existing Law. Retail doesn’t have Laws attached that prevents the same products from being sold directly.
“ creating bloat” is an opinion. What you call “ bloat” I call an accepted and acknowledged layer of revenue to entice investment and provide services that can be accessed if desired.
My last vehicle surprisingly came to the end of it’s useful life for me when I brought it in for service, regarding an issue. With just my signature , and that vehicle, within 1 1/2 hours I drove out in a brand new vehicle without giving the dealer a cent. Like I said, I ran my vehicle 7 days a week. And because of the nature of my businesses , it allowed me to be back on the road, earning money , without disruption. That’s valuable for me.
I have purchased and leased vehicles. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. Leasing is just a rearrangement of terms. The issue of what is more favorable to the buyer depends upon the specific circumstances. It is a good thing, it is an option.
Speaking of Toyota, while many others ran to jump on the bandwagon of strictly powered electric vehicles, Toyota only had one available , sold in California. They refined and nearly perfected the hybrid, actually a superior vehicle compared to an all electric IMO.
They were reluctant to invest in electrics. They chose to actually offer a hydrogen powered vehicle instead in a limited area. When asked why Toyota didn’t go head over heels for full electric, the Chairman’s answer was” our customers don’t want them”
Let me give you a heads up. When Toyota decides that that the time is right , and they decide full electric is the way to go, they will bury Tesla. They sold about a many RAV 4’s last year , one model, as the entire line of Teslas sold.And their Chairman did not have to sleep on the floor to make the forecasts. Their engineering and technological strength is formidable.
Most Toyotas ( with a few exceptions) can be purchased as Hybrid vehicles presently. Their learned experience with the Prius has placed them in a position to adapt the technology across the board. They crawled before they walked. And now they will be running towards the future.
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I prefer Toyota as a brand of automobile. There are at least 5 Toyota dealers within 30 minutes of where I live. I’m not against any business model that adheres to current Laws and regulations.
If you think by providing a video in an attempt to educate me, or make me aware , you should realize that I purchased my first new vehicle 50 years ago. Along the way I have purchased so many new cars, and trucks when I was in business, I can hardly remember them all. I would have to write them down.
There are always options unless you paint yourself into a corner. As I stated previously , a person’s behavior and actions are what determines their economic stability or instability.
Analogies to E mails and Retail practices aren’t appropriate ,because someone isn’t looking to deliver US Mail , challenging the existing Law. Retail doesn’t have Laws attached that prevents the same products from being sold directly.
“ creating bloat” is an opinion. What you call “ bloat” I call an accepted and acknowledged layer of revenue to entice investment and provide services that can be accessed if desired.
My last vehicle surprisingly came to the end of it’s useful life for me when I brought it in for service, regarding an issue. With just my signature , and that vehicle, within 1 1/2 hours I drove out in a brand new vehicle without giving the dealer a cent. Like I said, I ran my vehicle 7 days a week. And because of the nature of my businesses , it allowed me to be back on the road, earning money , without disruption. That’s valuable for me.
I have purchased and leased vehicles. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. Leasing is just a rearrangement of terms. The issue of what is more favorable to the buyer depends upon the specific circumstances. It is a good thing, it is an option.
Speaking of Toyota, while many others ran to jump on the bandwagon of strictly powered electric vehicles, Toyota only had one available , sold in California. They refined and nearly perfected the hybrid, actually a superior vehicle compared to an all electric IMO.
They were reluctant to invest in electrics. They chose to actually offer a hydrogen powered vehicle instead in a limited area. When asked why Toyota didn’t go head over heels for full electric, the Chairman’s answer was” our customers don’t want them”
Let me give you a heads up. When Toyota decides that that the time is right , and they decide full electric is the way to go, they will bury Tesla. They sold about a many RAV 4’s last year , one model, as the entire line of Teslas sold.And their Chairman did not have to sleep on the floor to make the forecasts. Their engineering and technological strength is formidable.
Most Toyotas ( with a few exceptions) can be purchased as Hybrid vehicles presently. Their learned experience with the Prius has placed them in a position to adapt the technology across the board. They crawled before they walked. And now they will be running towards the future.
A monopoly by law tried to shut down (and eventually did).
It *is* bloat. It would be called muda in Japan and frankly anyone that has looked at Kaizen or Six Sigma would know this. Define the critical path.
No car company is reluctant to invest in electronics as we went to fuel injections and automatic transmission and power everything. If you want to drive a car that's manual everything by all means find something from the early 1970's. I have a cousin with a 72 camero. It's so simple I can understand it.
Tesla and Toyota are considering sharing a small electric SUV platform. Obviously Toyota is doing this to survive. Tesla has the patent wall and any car company can see how they do things so at this point if you can copy why not?
Platforms are made for multiple models so I'm assuming customizing it and some different cosmetics. So yes they have decided and they are going with Tesla.
We have a law. The onus is on demonstrating a need and reason for change. My “ rant”” addresses some of the issues involved.
Like I said, I don’t care about 44 other states. I care about CT,, the jobs here, the contributions. To community . And most important , consumer protections. My goodness, not sure if you can still not open the frunk of a Tesla without a cell phone.
I have purchased more than a dozen vehicles from one Dealer in CT. Over the years..And I would go back tomorrow and purchase another. Why? Plenty of reasons.
When the internet is down, Tesla gets hacked ,, and you are sitting on the side of the road at a dead stop, call Elon..
The Law isn’t getting changed.. Too much Social Justice on the docket for Legislators to worry about then a few rich folk that want to look fashionable virtue signaling.
These posts are still fixated on the pluses/minuses of Tesla's cars and financial profitability. Who cares, that's irrelevant to CT's law.
Tesla exists, is a viable company, and if it's not them, it'll be Rivian, Lucid, Company X in the future. Business models are meant to be tested and subject to disruption over time if they're not working in the interest of the market.
I'm not saying dealerships shouldn't exist, I'm saying why is that the only model allowed at the behest of direct to consumer offerings. I know you are arguing that cars should only be sold through dealerships because that is the law and you require evidence on why that shouldn't be our system. But what is the benefit to consumers where a large portion of a free marketplace is considered illegal. Direct to consumer is not some large taboo for other industries. What do the dealerships specifically add to the process to warrant their cost? What is so fragile about that system that the alternative of direct to consumer is essentially banned?
Keeping the status quo for the sake of it doesn't mean it is right or beneficial.
The benefit to consumers is the present system, which has stood the test of time and up until recently, has not been challenged as it is currently , as far as I know . If it isn’t broke, don’t fix it.
Demonstrate a necessary reason for change and I would be pleased to look it over. Speculation need not apply.
“ Other industries “ are not this Industry.
What is fragile is anticipating superior outcomes when no such reason for change actually exists.
Did we not see that with “ Cash for Clunkers” ? Piles and piles of taxpayer dollars to buy low MPG vehicles , only to have the same people use a lot of the money to purchase another low MPG vehicle.
All to try and get people’s behavior that they are not interested in. And behold, a decade later and the top selling vehicles in America are pick up trucks and SUVs, the same vehicles “ Cash for Clunkers” was supposed to remove from the marketplace.
These posts are still fixated on the pluses/minuses of Tesla's cars and financial profitability. Who cares, that's irrelevant to CT's law.
Tesla exists, is a viable company, and if it's not them, it'll be Rivian, Lucid, Company X in the future. Business models are meant to be tested and subject to disruption over time if they're not working in the interest of the market.
It is relevant to CT law. Why change the Law which may result in negative outcomes for the consumer?
It isn’t anyone else now but Tesla. The future is what it will be , so we will see who else gets involved. For now, we have to look at what is the reality.
Testing is fine, but changing existing Law because one company , that represents a tiny percentage of the volume of Business decides to buck the system should not be allowed to potentially create disruption .
It hasn’t been demonstrated to a satisfactorily level that the current system is not in the best in test of the market.
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