Oakland 13 Y. O. to Remain on Life Support Another Week, Per Court Order
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Reading the pleading made me ill. The parents need to just stop. Now. And think about the child's well-being. She is decomposing. Her body is shutting down and there is little that machines can do to stop that. I will say that the staff are being very considerate by keeping up the illusion, but Jahi truly is dead and it's time to bury her instead of her body being a spectacle as it goes through the natural death process. I suppose a part of me still feels pained at their loss, but I think my real pain is for the child who has died and can't be put to rest.
I actually did learn a thing or two from this topic and the links provided therein. I have always believed brain death to be death...but all of the clinical papers/documents/etc. and posts have shown me exactly why brain death is death. The body is unable to work without, at the very least, the brain stem. The brain is so crucial to the body and modern science (though it tries) cannot replace it. There will never be any brain transplants. All of the clinical stuff also helped me to appreciate all of the body's processes, and that it takes more than a beating heart and lungs moving to be "alive". A heart is a pump that can be assisted with machines, but that's about it..there are so many other things involved.
In my heart, I hope the family isn't trying to cash out on this poor girl's misfortune. The reality is that this young girl lost her life far too soon and I hope that understand that money will never change that. Who is to blame for her death I'm sure will come out in resultant legal papers...I frankly don't know and I'm reluctant to blame the family, or the hospital really until I know facts. I will say this though, I don't believe for one instant that the child was 200 lbs...come on. A 200 lb young teen would look far heavier than her. She was very overweight (which in itself is sad for a child so young), but I think 200 lbs. is an exaggeration.
I was thinking along the line that Jahi felt cool to the touch, so mother/grandmother wanted the blanket to warm her up. After all, they believe she is alive and they wouldn't want her to feel cold.
* Possessor of common sense.
LOL. Sorry about that. There are so many people out there who kind of "get it", but not entirely. Actually, I had assumed you were suggesting the family thought she felt cold (not cool to the touch). Thus my comment was not really directed towards you, but I can see where it could be read that way. My apologies.
Someone said on facebook the mother gave her a hamburger! And she was fat! So, she deserved whatever bad outcome came her way?
I don't see people saying that. I do see people who are pointing out this was not just a perfectly healthy girl who randomly died after a routine surgery, but one with multiple health issues whose weight may have contributed to the surgery being necessary.
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Somewhere, there had to be a breakdown in communication between the hospital and the family. If not, the family wouldn't be taking the actions they are now. Is that the entire fault of the family? How were they approached and addressed? I don't know.
I completely disagree. Unfortunately, patients (and in the case of a minor, the parents of a patient) do not always choose to follow doctor's orders. Patients are told to stop smoking. Not to drink so much. To lose weight. To exercise so many times per week for so many hours. Not to have unprotected sex. Patients choose not to follow those orders all the time. And it's their choice and their body. But my choice not to do xyz that the doctor instructed cannot fairly be blamed on "a breakdown in communication." It was communicated just fine. The trouble is, I have free will.
Watching this unfold and get more and more extreme over the course of weeks, I can only say that I suspect this family would've reacted this way no matter what happened. They are clearly deeply in denial, perhaps are unable either intellectually or emotionally to grasp what is really going on, and from the level this has gotten to with doctor after doctors, judges, everyone stating this girl is really gone, haven't even blinked. They have my deepest sympathies. But there is no part of their behavior that is rational. I could very easily imagine the hospital could've done every single thing right and still gotten this sort of reaction from them.
As someone who has had to make the choice for my husband, I can say that it was the hardest one I ever had to make but also one that I knew without a doubt was the correct one. He never wanted tubes and machines. We had talked about before. He hated hospitals. But tubes and machines were the only way he could continue to live. I knew that leaving him that way would let us have his body for a few more days or even weeks, but he was already gone.
Why would Jahi's family report something they did on Facebook, like feeding her a hamburger, if it wasn't true?
Or maybe they never posted any such thing.
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Just for the fun of it?
Thats possible. Haha, Jahi is in the recovery room eating a hamburger after getting her tonsils out. LOL.
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And then why would they delete it?
Maybe because it was inaccurate or misunderstood?
Naw, it must have been because they are an evil family who murdered their own daughter by shoving a hamburger down her throat after a tonsillectomy so they could sue the hospital.
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Maybe because they posted something that showed THEY were responsible for Jahi's death?
There are also reports from other families who had children in the ICU as well, saying that they saw Jahi's family feeding her a hamburger and a popsicle, encouraging her to talk when she was wasn't supposed to talk, and suctioning her themselves. The hospital is bound by HIPAA laws not to talk about the case. Other families in the ICU are not bound by HIPAA and can report what they saw, and they have.
As others have pointed out, she would have been on a liquid diet after that surgery. It is highly unlikely that the hospital would have allowed the family to bring her a hamburger in the recovery room after a major surgery. It's even less likely that she could have eaten a hamburger while she was coughing up blood.
As others have pointed out, she would have been on a liquid diet after that surgery. It is highly unlikely that the hospital would have allowed the family to bring her a hamburger in the recovery room after a major surgery. It's even less likely that she could have eaten a hamburger while she was coughing up blood.
I think you will find that families often smuggle in food that is not on a patient's prescribed diet. No one will be checking bags for contraband victuals.
Jahi would have been without food or drink for 8 hours or more before her surgery. When she waked up she would very likely have been hungry. Her obesity is a hint that her family had a problem with limiting Jahi's food intake. I can definitely see someone thinking it would be OK for her to have a hamburger if she was awake, hungry, and not nauseated.
If she did eat a hamburger, it was obviously before she began bleeding and in the PICU, not the recovery room. Whether the hamburger is truth or fiction we do not know at this time, but it is not an impossibility.
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