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Old 01-12-2014, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Idaho
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I'm afraid the family figures the longer they drag this out in the media the sooner and larger the payoff.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old 01-12-2014, 07:39 PM
 
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I'm afraid the family figures the longer they drag this out in the media the sooner and larger the payoff.

Just my 2 cents.
Me too. Also a better chance at a book/movie deal if there is a more drawn out story to tell.
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Old 01-12-2014, 07:53 PM
 
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What happened to Jahi has me digging around for information on brain death and if reversing it is being researched.

Anyway, I came across an interesting abstract about a man who was declared brain dead after being treated with induced hypothermia. Reversible brain death after cardiopulmonary a... [Crit Care Med. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

I know it's not the same as I doubt they tried induced hypothermia and Jahi has had more than enough time to wake up if she were going to, but it's interesting nonetheless.
There have been a lot of stories reported of someone coming back after hypothermia. Reducing the core temperature kind of puts the body into a suspended state, slows down all the bodily processes, and often they can be brought back after falling through ice into a lake, for instance, because their core temperature fell and that protects the organs.

Did you know that doctors use cold cardioplegic solution and put ice around the heart when doing bypass surgery? Then when finished with bypass, they rewarm the patient and the heart starts beating.

But that is totally different than this case. Jahi has no BRAIN STEM function. She is not coming back.
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Old 01-13-2014, 07:20 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I've really heard nothing further about this on the news, since Jahi was moved. Not sure if the media outlets have lost interest or . . . ?
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Old 01-13-2014, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Cartersville, GA
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I'm afraid the family figures the longer they drag this out in the media the sooner and larger the payoff.

Just my 2 cents.
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I've really heard nothing further about this on the news, since Jahi was moved. Not sure if the media outlets have lost interest or . . . ?
I have heard little to nothing whatsoever from the family (aside from a few brief comments from their attorney,) since the day they moved her body from the Children's hospital. Unless I am missing a story from the last few days, I don't get the impression that the family is trying to "drag this out in the media."
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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There were a few comments from an older sister and a cousin on Twitter for a few days after the move.....that were quickly deleted.

Looks like their attorney shut that stuff down real quick.
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:30 PM
 
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MSR, do you have a link for the SF Gate comments? Thanks!
Just SFGate: San Francisco Bay Area - News,Bay Area news, Sports, Business, Entertainment, Classifieds - SFGate - then find the story you want to read. Comments will follow.

MSR
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:41 PM
 
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There have been a lot of stories reported of someone coming back after hypothermia. Reducing the core temperature kind of puts the body into a suspended state, slows down all the bodily processes, and often they can be brought back after falling through ice into a lake, for instance, because their core temperature fell and that protects the organs.

Did you know that doctors use cold cardioplegic solution and put ice around the heart when doing bypass surgery? Then when finished with bypass, they rewarm the patient and the heart starts beating.

But that is totally different than this case. Jahi has no BRAIN STEM function. She is not coming back.
I still can't rep you, luzianne. Another great post.

Hypothermia or lowering core temp does many things, including to the CNS. Beyond the scope of this discussion. But a fascinating topic.

I agree with you, if hypothermia were a factor in this case, enough time has past (a month) to have any hypothermia factors (had there been any) resolved.

MSR
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Old 01-14-2014, 12:03 AM
 
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Default M. E.'s Knowledge of Placement?

I realize this is new ground for everyone involved. Children's and Adult ICUs staff everywhere will learn from this case.

My questions may offend some and that really isn't my intention. I'll apologize in advance and suggest anyone offended not read further.

I've needed a break from this case for a while. Away, I found my mind wandering back to 2-3 basic questions about the M.E.'s role and knowledge. I'm certain M.E.'s/Coroner's Offices will be learning too.

Given that the M.E. ultimately will have to conduct an autopsy and the Alameda County Coroner's Office was the location the "transfer" occurred, do you think the M.E.'s office knows where her body was moved?

What keeps going through my mind is how will the M.E. be certain to get the body back?

I'm trying to be sensitive to readers and that a 13 y.o. is gone. I'm also thinking of how an M.E. will be included or not, down the road.

Maybe someone understands my questions and can either answer or re - state a different way so my concern is more clear.

Thanks in advance for any info.

MSR
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Old 01-14-2014, 12:28 AM
 
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Default How Long Will $ Last for Facility?

A lot of this is the basic info; however, there are some points we've not really addressed.

I'm glad to see this critique of the family's lawyer and the ethicists talking about a facility taking a brain dead patient's body.

But cutting to the chase, how is this "care" being pad for?
LA Times

MSR
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