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At the very least, Woody Allen is guilty of having an inappropriate relationship with the teenage daughter of his girlfriend (who is also the sister to his children).
Yes, Soon Yi and Dylan are sisters. So how is it ok for your father to start effing your sister?
And at worst he molested his daughter Dylan who has provided painful details of the abuse. Woody Allen's inappropriate behavior with Dylan and the psychological counseling that he received for his inappropriate "attention" to Dylan are all a part of the court findings. According to the court documents the babysitter caught Woody Allen with his head between Dylan's legs and Dylan did not have on underwear. There had been previous instructions not to leave Woody Allen alone with Dylan.
I really don't mind people arguing that any given relationship is "inappropriate", as long as the subjective nature of the term is understood. Personally, I don't have emotional opinions about the consensual relationships pf other adults. Soonyi Previn was an adult when she chose to begin a relationship with Allen. Woody Allen didn't even adopt Dylan until December of 1991, after the relationship with Soonyi had begun.
As far as potential molestation of Dylan is concerned, you're taking liberties with fact. You are suggesting that Allen was found to have his head "between" Dylan's legs while she had no underwear on. No where in the document is this stated. Dr. Susan Coates is quoted in the custody decision as saying:
“Allen’s behavior with Dylan was not appropriate. I did not see it as sexual [my bolding], but I saw it as inappropriately intense because it excluded everybody else.” Judge Wilk excortiated Allen largely becasue of the fact that Allen showed little interest in Mia's other adopted children (most pointedly, Soonyi). We also learn that Mia Farrow physically assaulted Soonyi after leaning of the relationship with Allen. Mia Farrow also told her other children (all of them minors) about the nude photos of Soonyi and Soonyi's relationship with Allen. We're also told by child psychologists that Dylan was psychologically "more fragile" than other children, and that she felt betrayed by the relationship between Woody Allen and Soonyi.
The document you linked is, of course, a child custody ruling--nothing more. Judge Elliot Wilk concludes the following"
" (Woody Allen's) trial strategy has been to separate his children from their brothers and sisters; to turn the children against their mother; to divide adopted children from biological children; to incite the family against their household help; and to set household employees against each other. His self-absorption, his lack of judgment and his commitment to the continuation of his divisive assault, thereby impeding the healing of the injuries he has already caused, warrant a careful monitoring of his future contact with the children.”
The judge's assessment seems unusually harsh on Allen, particular when one considers the equally bizarre and psychologically abusive behaviors of Mia farrow. It is, presumably, why Allen did not receive custody. However, there is nothing about that conclusion which points to any kind of sexual molestation of Dylan Farrow, or anyone else.
Medical doctors found no evidence of sexual abuse. Child psychologists and therapists found no suggestion of sexual abuse. With the exception of the hordes of feminists who have emotionally invested their energies into spinning this issue through the prism of gender-politics and victimization, there is no issue here. This matter was over twenty years ago, and it's still over in any realistic context.
Allen did not marry his adopted daughter. Soonyi was not his adopted daughter, not his step daughter, nor was Allen a father figure in her life. Soonyi is the adopted daughter of Andre Previn and Mia Farrow. Andre Previn is her father. According to both Mia Farrow's autobiography and Soonyi Previn's own account, Woody Allen had virtually no relationship of any kind with Soonyi until they began a relationship when she was twenty years old.
Mia Farrow leveled the charges of child molestation against Woody Allen several days after he began a child custody suit for the three children of whom he was the legal father.
Investigators found no evidence of a crime. Medical doctors found no evidence of sexual molestation. Psychologists suggested that it was probable that Dylan's story was planted and coached by Mia Farrow--a common tactic in custody battles. Woody Allen was never charged for any crime related to the accusation. Mia Farrow certainly knew that the mere accusation would prevent Allen from obtaining custody.
The most likely scenario is that Dylan Farrow was a victim of her mother's psychological abuse, which was a result of Mia Farrow's lingering anger over Allen's relationship with Soonyi, and Mia Farrow's attempt to retain custody of the three children--and that this abuse has remained with Dylan in the form of a false memory.
Surely you jest. And you either don't want to read the facts in Orr's article, or you've chosen to dismiss them. And that has nothing to do with Farrow's being unhinged (and I think she is), either.
Also, Allen indeed did upset the family unit. Ronan said it best when he remarked that his dad is also his brother-in-law. And those many nekkid pics of Soon-Yi Mia ecountered on Allen's mantel were taken when she was 13 or 14 (she didn't have a birth certificate).
As I've posted before, what man in his forties has a 13-year old pen pal? What adult male with his head screwed on right even conjectures about what people would say if he were "caught in a love nest with 12-year old girls" as if that were a normal thing for an adult male to even contemplate?
Woody Allen is a perv who wouldn't know what to do with a woman his own age. Not by a long shot.
There was nothing inappropriate about his relationship with Soon-Yi. She wasn't his daughter, and she never considered herself Mia Farrow's daughter either. She was adopted, but never considered herself the daughter of anyone but her biological parents, whoever they are. Allen and Soon-Yi didn't start dating until she was 20, according to her. Nothing inappropriate has ever been proven to have occurred between Soon-Yi and Allen while Soon-Yi was a minor. Mia Farrow and Woody were never married. So Soon-Yi ultimate married Mia Farrow's ex-boyfriend, and they appear quite happy. The relationship has been a thorn in the neck of Mia Farrow, and she will take her vindictive, jealous behavior to the grave.
I don't believe Dylan's claims. I feel that she is emotionally unstable just like her adopted mom, Mia, and has been coached by Mia. Mia Farrow is a very emotionally unstable woman, who has no integrity and doesn't respect boundaries. She was 19 when she married 51 year old Sinatra, then later got pregnant with Sinatra's boy Ronan, while still with Woody. She also didn't give a damn about Andre Previn's marriage, getting pregnant with twins while Previn was married. Previn later left his wife, who went insane because of the betrayal, then left that kook Mia within a short time. Shame on Previn. Shame on Mia. I don't think Mia ever saw a healthy relationship that she liked because of whatever disorder she's privately tormented by.
I also want to say that Mia's sick perception of what Allen was doing while playing with his young kids can't be believed, not even in court documents which reflect her version of the facts as she saw them. Any man with young kids knows that adults act incredibly silly with young kids, making silly sounds, acting in a silly manner for entertainment purposes. This is all in the spirit of fun. There's this claim that Woody had his face in Dylan's lap, with her panties off as if he was going down on her. No evidence that he knew her panties were off underneath her dress or that he was engaged in a sex act. No evidence at the time from Dylan from any doctor or investigator that Allen was performing a sex act in that situation. Woody is always around kids, and there hasn't been any evidence that he has been inappropriate with any of them, including all the girls. Through the sick prism that is Mia's viewpoint, Allen could be performing a sex act on Dylan just by sitting with her watching a movie. Through the eyes of sick Mia, Woody couldn't even look at Dylan without her conjuring up some nonsense about Allen being inappropriate. I don't buy it.
Mia seems quite manipulative and she found a willing subject in Dylan. Dylan was adopted so her emotional state is a mystery, as is the extent of Mia's influence and brainwashing. I don't believe it. Woody's son Moses has the right view here. I respect Woody Allen. The man is a genius and much appreciated for his work. He really stepped in it though when he got involved with that crazy, New Agey kook Mia Farrow.
Last edited by LexusNexus; 02-12-2014 at 11:05 AM..
Surely you jest. And you either don't want to read the facts in Orr's article, or you've chosen to dismiss them. And that has nothing to do with Farrow's being unhinged (and I think she is), either.
Also, Allen indeed did upset the family unit. Ronan said it best when he remarked that his dad is also his brother-in-law. And those many nekkid pics of Soon-Yi Mia ecountered on Allen's mantel were taken when she was 13 or 14 (she didn't have a birth certificate).
As I've posted before, what man in his forties has a 13-year old pen pal? What adult male with his head screwed on right even conjectures about what people would say if he were "caught in a love nest with 12-year old girls" as if that were a normal thing for an adult male to even contemplate?
Woody Allen is a perv who wouldn't know what to do with a woman his own age. Not by a long shot.
Soonyi Previn was adopted by Andre Previn and Mia Farrow in 1978. South Korean adoption authorities estimated her age to be eight at the time of adoption. Soonyi began a relationship with Woody Allen in late 1991. Even if one pushes her assumptive birth date ahead a couple of years, she was a legal adult when the relationship began. Mia Farrow found nude pictures of Soonyi Previn at Woody Allen's apartment in 1992.
Juvenalizing Soonyi Previn may fit the narrative that some would like to construct. However, the facts as reported--even by Mia Farrow herself--make it clear that Soonyi was an intelligent, competent, and consenting adult to her relationship with Woody Allen. On the other hand; if you want to argue that Woody and Soonyi are guilty of betraying an implied level of trust with regards to their respective relationships with Mai Farrow; that's a perfectly legitimate belief to hold, albeit one that is ideally left to be worked out by those directly involved.
When one has an agenda to push, or a bias to prosecute; hyperbole and dishonesty are easy enough to justify. But any honest assessment of facts will eventually trump those tactics.
Since you appear to have evidence that Woody Allen used Soonyi Previn in the creation of child pornography, I've included the sexual exploitation reporting link for The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Here, you can provide that evidence, along with all of the other evidence you may have linking Mr. Allen to child sexual exploitation.
For the vast majority of us who actually take the sexual abuse of children seriously, the above link should only be used when one has a rational suspicion that child sexual exploitation has occurred.
As I've posted before, what man in his forties has a 13-year old pen pal? What adult male with his head screwed on right even conjectures about what people would say if he were "caught in a love nest with 12-year old girls" as if that were a normal thing for an adult male to even contemplate?
At the very least, Woody Allen is guilty of having an inappropriate relationship with the teenage daughter of his girlfriend (who is also the sister to his children).
Yes, Soon Yi and Dylan are sisters. So how is it ok for your father to start effing your sister?
And at worst he molested his daughter Dylan who has provided painful details of the abuse. Woody Allen's inappropriate behavior with Dylan and the psychological counseling that he received for his inappropriate "attention" to Dylan are all a part of the court findings. According to the court documents the babysitter caught Woody Allen with his head between Dylan's legs and Dylan did not have on underwear. There had been previous instructions not to leave Woody Allen alone with Dylan.
I am glad we've moved beyond the subject of pictures of a father holding hands with his daughter being labeled as "sick and disgusting". You really should clarify your stance on that, if nothing else but for your credibility reasons.
But I will take the middle ground here on the above topic:
Yes, it was sleazy for Woody Allen to take on his girlfriend's adopted adult daughter as a lover. It shows a lack of moral compass, lack of consideration for his girlfriend and her family, and it undoubtedly contributed to a dysfunctional family.
on the other hand...
No, it is not related to, or indicative of, any charges of child molestation. One has nothing to do with the other.
Can Woody Allen be labeled a cheating, lying, scum-bag Pig? -Yes (at the same time we would also have some choice descriptions for Mia however). Can he be labeled a child molester - not with the evidence provided to us.
As for the babysitter charges - I did some research out of curiousity. There are three 3rd party witnesses to the events in question:
-Babysitter #1 - Alison Strickland, who apparently testified to the above, seems to have disappeared off the map. It would be interesting to hear her account of events 20 years later. -The Nanny - Monica Thompson, who originally testified that Mia was a good mother, later came out and recanted her testimony, saying that she was pressured by Mia to lie. She also suggests other babysitters were pressured. She also made claims that Mia was physically abusing her children. Nanny Casts Doubt on Farrow Charges : Custody: She tells Allen's lawyers the actress pressured her to support molestation accusations against him. She says others have reservations. - Los Angeles Times Former Nanny Testifies Farrow Slapped Son - NYTimes.com -Babysitter #2 - Kristie Groteke. She actually wrote a "tell all" book about the turbulent Allen/Farrow relationship called "Mia and Woody: Love and Betrayal". The allegations of child abuse are discussed, but, interestingly, while being involved so closely with the family and Dylan on a daily basis, she had no conculsion on if the charges are true or not. Certainly if she saw anything inappropriate it would be featured in this tell all book, no? Monica Thompson revealed a conversation she had with Kristie Groteke “She told me that she felt guilty allowing Ms. Farrow to say those things about Mr. Allen. (Groteke) said the day Mr. Allen spent with the kids, she did not have Dylan out of her sight for longer than five minutes. She did not remember Dylan being without her underwear.â€
I also see no evidence, beyond Mia saying it was so, of Woody getting phycological counseling for his innapropriate behavior with children. Of course, Woody Allen has been in therapy for most of his adult life for a variety of neriousis and anxiety issues. That's public knowledge and practically been part of his stand up comedy routine to make a joke out of it. But it has nothing to do with the above subject.
One of the photos, of him holding her arm reminds me of my grandfather, who's now deceased. He was born in the south, but left in his teens. Whenever I was with him, and we were crossing a street, he would take my arm just like that. I always thought it was so sweet ... because at his age, he probably could have used my help more than I needed his.
I'm very sorry for you that you apparently had such a sterile, and un-loving relationship with your father. Maybe that's why you think simple expressions of affection ... like hugging, holding hands, sitting on your father's lap ... are sickening. They're not.
I thought that in these threads we are not supposed to make personal attacks: "You've got one perverted mind, dear." That is a personal attack.
And, this is another: I'm very sorry for you that you apparently had such a sterile, and un-loving relationship with your father."
I wonder if you might apologize.
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