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[quote=KathrynAragon;39492306]Our Congress and our states have laws in place to protect the rights of Americans to practice free speech. All of us - citizens and anyone else who is in the US for that matter - fall under those laws. It doesn't matter whether we agree with the law, or what is being said by those protected by these laws. We all fall under the authority of the law.
Sure, I'd be angry if I saw someone wiping their butt in public, or peeing in front of me, regardless of WHAT they wiped their butt with or what they peed on. I'd be angry about any of the examples you gave. In fact, I've been offended before, by (just one example) my tax dollars being used to support an artist whose idea of art was to submerge a crucifix in his own urine.
But no - I would not feel that any violence or the breaking of any laws was justified toward such idiots.
By the way, I'm pretty sure it's against the law to take a **** or wipe your naked butt in public. I wouldn't condone any breaking of any laws when protesting something. It's pretty easy to stay within the law and still get one's point across.
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3. Why would you purposely do something that people find deeply offensive with respect to their religion? Clearly, the organizers of this contest wanted to mock the Muslims and provoke a reaction. Their free speech objective is not convincing, as the town was happy to let them do it. Really, is this something Jesus would condone? I don't care what the Muslims have done elsewhere, aren't you better than that? At the gates of heaven, are you going to be pointing at the Muslims and say, "yeah, but they started it."[/QU
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I hate to put too fine a point on it, but their motives don't much matter. They were lawfully gathered together.
That doesn't mean I think they were smart, or right, or good hearted. I don't have to agree with them, their art exhibit, their speeches, their agenda, whatever, in order to feel protective of their right to practice free speech.
Every once in awhile, there's some sort of protest or gathering around here, of groups that I don't necessarily like or agree with - some of which I find downright offensive. It doesn't matter whether I agree with them or not. It's their right to gather and protest or speak or carry signs or wear T shirts or (fill in the blank) peacefully and lawfully, and I support that right.
Exactly. There's a movement on social media right now to stomp on the American flag? I find that offensive. It's also pretty clear that the folks participating are intentionally antagonizing Americans. Should they be killed? Blown up? Fired upon while they walk down the street?
Just my opinion but I believe the 2 were fanaticaly anti-Muslim and wanted to do something that would result in mass retaliation against Muslims.
wow. really?
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A lawyer who previously represented a man who a federal official says was one of the gunmen who opened fire outside a Prophet Muhammad cartoon contest says the man was a devout Muslim and respectful of the legal process.
Arizona lawyer Kristina Sitton represented Elton Simpson, who according to court documents was convicted in Phoenix of lying to the FBI in 2011, about whether he'd discussed traveling to Somalia.
Yes at one time when he initially converted to Islam Elliot Simpson was a very devout Muslim. but in what is known about him he drifted away from practicing Islam and became more radical especially in Support of Heretical groups.
From about 2010 onward his attendance at the Mosque began declining.
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Mosque president 'shocked' by Garland shooting Usama Shami said Simpson came regularly until around 2010 or 2011, about the time the FBI arrested him on the false statement charges. Soofi came less frequently.
Simpson "was a gentle person," Shami said. "He always had a good attitude, a good demeanor."
Yes at one time when he initially converted to Islam Elliot Simpson was a very devout Muslim. but in what is known about him he drifted away from practicing Islam and became more radical especially in Support of Heretical groups.
From about 2010 onward his attendance at the Mosque began declining.
these people didn't do anything remotely like that. they held a conference that you had to PAY to enter and did their thing.
As pathetic as baiting the Jihadists by having an event that they knew the possible outcome to. It doesn't matter if it is paid or free, still makes the event in poor taste considering that Jihadists or wannabe Jihadists can show up to these events and not in peaceful moods.
As pathetic as baiting the Jihadists by having an event that they knew the possible outcome to. It doesn't matter if it is paid or free, still makes the event in poor taste considering that Jihadists or wannabe Jihadists can show up to these events and not in peaceful moods.
the event was oh-so-easy to avoid that the many thousands of muslims living in texas managed to ignore it completely, to their credit.
if the only thing keeping a person of faith from murdering people is the absence of a mocking cartoon then, brother, that person is a piece of **** and I want as many out in the open as possible.
As pathetic as baiting the Jihadists by having an event that they knew the possible outcome to. It doesn't matter if it is paid or free, still makes the event in poor taste considering that Jihadists or wannabe Jihadists can show up to these events and not in peaceful moods.
America sets the standard in get-togethers that may be seen as poor taste. Because we celebrate freedom. Porn conventions, KKK rallies, Bondage/S&M expositions, Furry cosplay parties ... and on and on. NOBODY is required to attend if they are offended and EVERYONE has the right to sit outside and legally protest in a non-violent manner if desired.
Muslims (or any group) for that matter are not privileged to receive special consideration just because they are hyper-sensitive. Sorry.
Like I said, I don't condemn what the cartoon organizers did here, but let me ask this. If you are walking by and see a group of youths who appear to be Arabs pooing and wiping their butt with pages from the New Testament, or you see them peeing on the American flag, or spitting on a veteran's tombstone at Arlington. Would that make you enraged? Would you want to kick their butt? I know I would be angry.
Bad analogy. The art exhibit was private. Nobody in the public had the drawings rubbed in their faces. Muslms wiping butts, peeing on stuff and spitting on graves violates public indecency laws. Yeah I'd be pissed but if you're secure in your beliefs, your country and your religion then you know this kinda crap only diminishes those dbags and nothing else. Get in their face, yell at them and call the cops on them for public indecency. That's not being a wimp, it's being a civilized American who walks the walk and stands behind our 1st amendment. Our rationality juxtaposed against their primitive medieval nature elevates us and dimishes them.
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Many, if not most, would say say that they were asking for it if they get shot at or get assaulted by nearby Americans.
Totally disagree. The stats of American on Muslim assault and murder prove you wrong. Don't think for a minute that there aren't American Muslims who engage in inflammatory anti-American rhetoric ... either publicly or privately but you don't see Americans engaging in military style assaults to exterminate them for blasphemy or treason. You people on this forum who keep subtly blaming the victims for knowingly setting themselves up for a violent reaction are back-pedalling in the face of bullying and violence.
People (not directing this just at you MTQ) - You should be ashamed of yourselves for showing any sort of 'understanding' for these jihadis ... no matter how much you qualify your statements with pablum like "but of course violence isn't justified". Don't you know that you never sympathize with a bully's motivation or tone down the exercise of your rights so as not to set them off? Not one step back! If you're a gay person and haters break your windows do you move or do you put up a pride flag, buy a surveilance camera and put the cops on speed dial? If you're an orthodox Jew and the skinheads hassle you on the street do you remove your yarmulke and try to blend in or do you get a concealed carry permit and go about your business. Moment of truth ... are you a proud American or a pu$$y?
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I am not a Muslim, but I understand that drawing an image of the Prophet is a blasphemy, comparable to those actions, so you'd expect them to take that very seriously.
That's a negative. Screw their primitive religious notions of blasphemy. If you've got a 'good' book that tells you that forms of speech and expression justifies physical retribution for blasphemy then you are not evolved enough to belong in America so get the hell out. Don't lower yourself to their standards out of some misplaced belief in tolerance for diversity. Make them rise to OUR standards of civilized law.
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In either situation, there is absolutely no justification for violence (especially the use of deadly force), but looking at it from the other side might give us something to think about.
Retreat, misplaced understanding and enablement.
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Really, is this something Jesus would condone? I don't care what the Muslims have done elsewhere, aren't you better than that? At the gates of heaven, are you going to be pointing at the Muslims and say, "yeah, but they started it."
Hey whoa back the religion train up. Many of us don't care what Jesus would do. That's not the standard by which people should choose to exercise their legal rights. America means man's law and the constitution trumps religion. When you pull an AK on a cartoonist then you damn sure did start it. They started it in Paris and they started it in Texas. A Garland traffic cop finished it. End of story.
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