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That's funny you throw "logically" in there as if I'M the one not being logical.
I know you were talking about what SHE did. But NO you were not talking about society you even RIGHT HERE compare her to Geller and claim Geller is doing a "battle cry" as if that's "bad". And what do you mean "purported"? She clearly STATES why. You don't need to read INTO IT.
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Did I upset you? All cap words tell the story. I am soooo sorry. Ms. Geller was trying to provoke, get some publicity and get on right wing shows. That's it.
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She was wrong in Subway's eyes because she was WORKING and:
1) Not supposed to be TWEETING
2) Presenting a negative impression of her employer.
3) Alienating future customers and certainly the ones in that geographic area.
THAT will get you fired everywhere.
ALL SPEECH IS PROTECTED unless it is a very narrowly defined definite threat to another person. Even the worst speech. EVEN celebrating cop killings is PROTECTED. That doesn't mean you can't get fired for it by your EMPLOYER.
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What did I say in the above post? I said, "Yes, like I said it elsewhere, if you are an at-will employee you can be fired for any reason not prohibited by law, or for no reason at all. Clearly, I am not talking about what her employer did." Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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YES you can get arrested for speech in ENGLAND. NOT HERE.
There's an Islamic guy right now running around on TV claiming Geller needs to go to Sharia Court and get the death penalty. That is FREE SPEECH. Now, if he said "I am going to apply the death penalty onto Geller" that would be NOT free speech because it's a direct death threat.
The girl's speech WAS protected. She's not in jail is she?
OH WAIT. Conservatives were systematically harassed by the GOVERNMENT AGENCIES for their speech.
You are conflating an employee wearing a UNIFORM to Pam Geller having a free speech conference.
HOW are they related?
You fail to logically understand the actions of an employee to the actions of a bunch of citizens gathering in a group to say things.
BUT NEITHER ONE was PUNISHED by the government so what's your complaint again???
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Lol. I said "(PS, free speech and First Amendment don't apply if state action is absent)." What do you think that means? Show it to a real lawyer.
Let me break it down. Conservatives were all over the place decrying Pam Geller's right to "free speech" by holding the contest. Per the immediately preceding sentence, that is simply wrong - no governmental body tried to stop her so the First Amendment or free speech did not come into play. So basically, conservatives were using the term "free speech" as though it meant, "I can speak my mind without getting criticized by the open minded people." With me so far, chief?
Conservatives are beside themselves that this lady in MS said horrible things about the slain cops (we all should be). But why isn't she entitled to exercise her "free speech" (as misused in the Geller situation by conservatives)? As in, "Can this lady speak her mind without getting criticized by closed minded people"? Not conflating, just looking for consistency in principle.
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Perhaps you weren't born in America or socialized or educated here but this this is the very REASON why America was founded. Studying the Constitution may help clarify if this doesn't resonate with you.
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Lol, you are adorable when you get personal. Again, you are confused about the need for state action under the First Amendment. Try Googling, there is a nice Cornell Law article on that. Very easy to understand.
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There are no "limits" or "abuse" of free speech. The WORST POSSIBLE speech MUST be protected.
Just like when Christians are baited with crucifixes in urine or plays mocking Mormons on Broadway sell out to great reviews.
You get to complain about it. But that's ALL you can do. You cannot enact LAWS about it. Even though Liberals and big government Progressives of both parties would love to.
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Nice, show me where I said free speech (again, doesn't apply here) needs to be limited? Never said that. Straw man argument.
No limits on free speech? Funny, I learned that there are numerous exceptions, including incitement, false statements of fact, obscenity, fighting words, threats, speech owned by others, and
commercial speech. I think they cover this in GED classes nowadays. Oh, I know, these exceptions were created by the Supreme Court! You wouldn't find it in the pocket edition Constitution from Glen Beck!!
I eagerly await your response. Easy on the all caps next time. Love ya, babe.
Mick
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