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Old 08-21-2015, 01:25 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Point taken.

So would it then be okay for someone to go into a Kosher Bakery, or a Muslim bakery, and ask that a cake be made in the shape of a Jesus on the Cross?
Why would someone do that?
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:28 PM
 
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You can say whatever you want. You can tell a black customer when they come in that they are a dirty ni**er. But you still have to serve them the same that you'd serve anyone else, as of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Unconstitutional laws are not valid.
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:29 PM
 
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Why would someone do that?
You mean like this gay couple suing this bakery for service? Your right, why WOULD anybody do that.
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Unconstitutional laws are not valid.
The law is not unconstitutional. It does not violate any of your constitutional rights.
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Sunrise
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The law is not unconstitutional. It does not violate any of your constitutional rights.
But! But! But! The law violates PERCEIVED constitutional rights.
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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But! But! But! The law violates PERCEIVED constitutional rights.
Yeah, just as the gay marriage being constitutional does and county clerks can decide to not give ANY licenses for marriage due to that ruling.
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:46 PM
 
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The idea that any non-essential private business should be forced to do business with anyone is ridiculous at best. Government run amok.
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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Just a reminder - we've been through this hissy fit before, the one by social conservatives who demanded that their religion exempt them from following the law the rest of us have to follow (though decent folk don't decline to discriminate again gays because they have to, they do so because it's the decent and right thing to do).

Maurice Bessinger owned BBQ restaurants in South Carolina. He refused to comply with laws prohibiting commercial discrimination based on race, asserting his religious right to do so. He was sued, and the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that he was compelled by law to serve customers regardless of race. When he then appealed to the USSC, the high court refused to grant cert, thereby allowing the Circuit Court ruling to become binding precedent.

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Maurice’s Piggie Park BBQ wanted to use the 1st Amendment in order to claim freedom of religion to impose the out of touch views of the owner on others. Not only content to discriminate against blacks at his own establishments, Maurice Bessinger also then used his influence against another restaurant owner who integrated his business. Oh yeah, and then he ran for office, lost and blamed intellectuals and liberals. Sound familiar?
SC Restaurant Owner Refuses To Serve Blacks, Cites Religious Beliefs

He was avowedly pro-slavery, and distributed tracts to that effect to his customers - replete, of course, with Biblical citations to demonstrate that his beliefs and his refusal to serve blacks were religious.

Barbecue eatery owner, segregationist Maurice Bessinger dies at 83 | The State

Now, before the bleating that sexual orientation is not race commences, that's not the issue - the issue is whether or not government can prohibit commercial discrimination against any class of people regardless of the treasured religious beliefs of the would-be discriminators. And the answer is an obvious and resounding YES.

Oh, and for those of you peddling the "But, when a business is opened before an anti-discrimination law is passed, that business shouldn't have to follow the law!" nonsense, Mr. Bessinger opened his first whites-only restaurant in 1953, over a decade before the Civil Rights Act - which required that he not turn away customers based on race - became law. Can we please get a show of hands from people who think that he should have been allowed to continue to be anti-black in his business practices? Anyone?
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The idea that any non-essential private business should be forced to do business with anyone is ridiculous at best. Government run amok.
How is it ridiculous that if a private business is open, they must serve anyone the products or services they normally offer without discrimination?

Obviously you can have "no shirt, no shoes, no service" or kick people out for violence, but that is for health and safety reasons.
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:56 PM
 
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But! But! But! The law violates PERCEIVED constitutional rights.
Freedom of association is only a perceived constitutional right? Oh really?
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