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I have 0 pity 0 compassion for the homeless. Some people see a beggar and want to give them a few dollars I see an empty set of hands and want to put a broom or shovel in them.
Maybe we do need homeless worker camps to build a wall or other random projects. Setup a few fema trailers, portapoties, and put these people to work for minimum wages.
So these camps will be fast approaching a breaking point and something will have to be done. Something similar to the CCC camps might be an option? Of course you still have the problem of the homeless with phycological problems and what do we do with them?
Of course you still have the problem of the homeless with phycological problems and what do we do with them?
That the insistence of both pitiers and haters is that "the homeless" are largely drug-addled and/or mentally ill is the entire point of this thread. Ignoring the point of a rising tide of people who are not addicted, not mentally ill and "failures" only because they can't find a living wage, and concentrating on a decreasing percentage who have traditional problems is pointless, self-serving myopia.
Any solution that affects this rising class of "working homeless" will have to account for the unemployable, yes... but that's not the problem at hand.
That the insistence of both pitiers and haters is that "the homeless" are largely drug-addled and/or mentally ill is the entire point of this thread. Ignoring the point of a rising tide of people who are not addicted, not mentally ill and "failures" only because they can't find a living wage, and concentrating on a decreasing percentage who have traditional problems is pointless, self-serving myopia.
Any solution that affects this rising class of "working homeless" will have to account for the unemployable, yes... but that's not the problem at hand.
Yes, I agree. That is why solutions such as putting them to work for min wage are not solutions at all, as many people DO become homeless with min wage jobs already. I don’t know about everywhere, but in NJ to rent most apartments want a couple thousand security deposit plus first months rent. It’s pretty hard to save that making a bit more than $8 an hour (NJ rate). Most apartments in NJ can’t be had for less than $1000 a month for one bedroom. No place is going to rent you $1000 a month apartment if you want to make 320 a week. You also need good credit to rent. As I said a friend of my fiancé‘s had to live in a motel with his family because he could not get anyone to rent to him even though he could afford it because his credit was poor after an illness. If they didn’t have the $50 a day to live in a motel they would be homeless too. And like the patient I had who became homeless while working full-time at an Atlantic City casino. The problems run much deeper than simply “oh that guys a bum and doesn’t want to work”, and simply opening some min wage “camp” is certainly not going to help.
That the insistence of both pitiers and haters is that "the homeless" are largely drug-addled and/or mentally ill is the entire point of this thread. Ignoring the point of a rising tide of people who are not addicted, not mentally ill and "failures" only because they can't find a living wage, and concentrating on a decreasing percentage who have traditional problems is pointless, self-serving myopia.
Any solution that affects this rising class of "working homeless" will have to account for the unemployable, yes... but that's not the problem at hand.
I am not arguing what put them in the streets with that last link; what it looks like is that something has to be done. It's no good for the homeless or the people surrounding them once disease and pest move into an area. Eventually these tarp towns will be cleaned out; the question is where will they go?
The more society supports bums, the more of them there will be. If you want to end the homeless problem, stop supporting it. Dont let them camp in public parks or sleep on park benches. Make them work for their food. Throw them in a drunk tank if they are drunk or high. Our society is way to supportive of lazy irresponsible people. Why should working people be taxed to pay for all the leaches of society.
I don't think any insurer including medicaid or medicare will pay anywhere close to those amounts. But you're right it's crazy to think that we could afford to hospitalize tens of thousands of drug addicts, let alone the mentally ill.
The Suboxone doctor I go to, majority of the patients are on state medicaid or medicare for the older ones. They pay 100%, weekly doctor visits, weekly drug testing, a months supply of Suboxone costs about $750.
Many patients have been there for 3 yrs plus and will probably stay for the rest of their lives, as its treated now as more of a maintenance rather than rehabilitation.
Seems like its these groups that are really making the BIG money off this 'opioid/ heroin epidemic', that is pretty curious in itself....more interesting, its these same medical groups, hospitals, that started this whole opioid problem supposedly, by overprescribing of narcotics, doctor shopping, etc....seems like they knew what was going to happen and their investment paid off BIG, and now they have a never ending line of opioid addicts who will need 'maintenance treatment' for years and years to come. hmm.
The more society supports bums, the more of them there will be. If you want to end the homeless problem, stop supporting it. Dont let them camp in public parks or sleep on park benches. Make them work for their food. Throw them in a drunk tank if they are drunk or high. Our society is way to supportive of lazy irresponsible people. Why should working people be taxed to pay for all the leaches of society.
Most of the new homeless are not bombs. Many of them work if people read the article the new homeless are in areas were rents are skyrocketing and far outpacing wages. This is not a matter of the menu see on the streets who are drinking and doing drugs and asking for handouts. There are many families among the new homeless. And many working people.
From the link article that many apparently don’t read:
“And a recent Zillow study — which estimated the number of homeless people in America to be closer to 661,000 — found a specific correlation between rent affordability and the rate of homelessness at a certain threshold: “Communities where people spend more than 32 percent of their income on rent can expect a more rapid increase in homelessness.”
Just out of curiosity however, how do you “make” people work without violating the Constitution or reenacting slavery? What happens if they don’t? Do they go to jail? The women and children to?
And again to a point I’ve made several times, simply working is not enough. If you give someone a job for $8 an hour but they still don’t have good credit and $2000 saved for security deposit, they are still going to be homeless.
Just out of curiosity however, how do you “make” people work without violating the Constitution or reenacting slavery? What happens if they don’t? Do they go to jail? The women and children to?
You really can't win this argument; the terminally smug will simply keep ratcheting back their position until it's the grandparents who should have known their progeny wouldn't be able to support themselves.
You really can't win this argument; the terminally smug will simply keep ratcheting back their position until it's the grandparents who should have known their progeny wouldn't be able to support themselves.
Who are the "terminally smug"? Are they the ones that believe society should pay or the ones that believe that everybody, including the homeless, should have a stake in their own future?
Like I stated before; these arguments will come to a head as disease moves into these communities. People will not stand by and do nothing as fleas spread disease to those that are trying to make a living. The real question is how are they going to handle the problem?
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