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Who are the "terminally smug"? Are they the ones that believe society should pay or the ones that believe that everybody, including the homeless, should have a stake in their own future?
Believing so is fine; it's not out of step with my own thoughts.
It's more about those who dismissing anyone who hasn't had the level of "success" they've had, because of course they worked for it and "earned" it and were entitled to it and (quite often) did it all completely by themselves, without no help from nobody.
Which just means they had support - family, community, governmental - at all the right times, and were never struck by any devastating episodes or disasters or personal misfortunes (for which inadequate additional support was not available), and didn't make any serious mistakes in major life choices (like moving to the wrong town, or choosing the wrong career)... in other words, pretty much the same group we'd call "lucky" by most standards.
Anyone - at all - who is in this privileged group and does not maintain a strong sense of "there but for the grace of whomever" about those who weren't so lucky or invariably smart or had less of a cushy support system is "terminally smug" - the politest term I can use here in babyland - and in many ways a lot less worthy than a single mother struggling on two jobs that won't quite pay for good housing.
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Like I stated before; these arguments will come to a head as disease moves into these communities. People will not stand by and do nothing as fleas spread disease to those that are trying to make a living. The real question is how are they going to handle the problem?
You can obsess over a presently imaginary issue and worry about how it's going to be a crisis if you like; I point you to the CDC and equivalent world-class agencies capable of dealing with such things very effectively.
The real crisis is that we're still trying to solve the root problems with a combination of ignorance, selfishness and "terminal smugness" when we are decades past "Get a job, you worthless bum!" was a sort of meaningful attitude. And this rise of "working homeless" is just the edge of reality intruding into that 1955 mindset. As the old joke goes, "Brrrrrrace yerself, Bridget!"
How am I obsessing by giving a local news link? Are you saying that all news is fake news or just news you disagree with?
Because you keep going back to it and it's an unpleasant, but entirely manageable and "curable" problem among all the other vastly more complex root causes.
Disease outbreaks in tent villages happen all the time. The fix is available and on hand and generally responds promptly, up to federal involvement if needed.
Who are the "terminally smug"? Are they the ones that believe society should pay or the ones that believe that everybody, including the homeless, should have a stake in their own future?
Like I stated before; these arguments will come to a head as disease moves into these communities. People will not stand by and do nothing as fleas spread disease to those that are trying to make a living. The real question is how are they going to handle the problem?
Fleas don't do well with human hosts and most of the disease outbreaks we've had in the US have been in upper middle class communities with large numbers of anti-vaxxers
Because you keep going back to it and it's an unpleasant, but entirely manageable and "curable" problem among all the other vastly more complex root causes.
Disease outbreaks in tent villages happen all the time. The fix is available and on hand and generally responds promptly, up to federal involvement if needed.
Next problem.
While it is "manageable and curable" according to you; we are not managing or curing the problem and it is getting worse: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2603102/. If you played the first link from the local Channel 4 news you would have seen that the funds are not there to 'fix' the problem. They have no clear direction or leadership. So your "problem solved; next problem" mentality does not work!
Fleas don't do well with human hosts and most of the disease outbreaks we've had in the US have been in upper middle class communities with large numbers of anti-vaxxers
While they don't do well; they can still transmit disease. Which is what that first link claimed.
While it is "manageable and curable" according to you; we are not managing or curing the problem and it is getting worse: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2603102/. If you played the first link from the local Channel 4 news you would have seen that the funds are not there to 'fix' the problem. They have no clear direction or leadership. So your "problem solved; next problem" mentality does not work!
Okay. You go worry about and find a fix for that problem. I focus on bigger issues that cause your problem.
Just because one city can't find existing resources to run over and fix one problem site (without spending money, borrowing, and otherwise pissing off voters) doesn't discount one word of what I said above.
Okay. You go worry about and find a fix for that problem. I focus on bigger issues that cause your problem.
Just because one city can't find existing resources to run over and fix one problem site (without spending money, borrowing, and otherwise pissing off voters) doesn't discount one word of what I said above.
You keep saying: "your problem"! It isn't my problem but you want to shoot the messenger; you have your own agenda. I live pretty far away from most of this; other than a few panhandlers I see a few times a year and I have no idea if they are truly homeless. I do know that we have some homeless in the one small city about fifteen miles from my home and I give to support the local homeless veterans. I am fairly isolated or insulated; whichever. That does not mean that I do not read the news; because I do.
You don't like the news so you want to shoot the messenger and then just go down your chosen path. I do not pretend to have the answers. Do you want the rich to pay for everything? They have the money to skip town and besides; have you checked the net worth of those in Congress? They might talk big; but there will always be a loophole for them.
You keep saying: "your problem"! It isn't my problem...
Okay. Fine. You seem to have adopted it here; my misunderstanding. It's everybody's problem.
But it's one of a hundred localized and collateral problems that has a straightforward fix at hand when those actually affected care to apply it. I can look at it, and frown, and regret that it's happening... but beyond that I think it's more useful for me to turn back to the root causes and consider what might fix them. Because IMVVHO, no one with a conventional viewpoint of today is going to have any useful answers.
Yes, I agree. That is why solutions such as putting them to work for min wage are not solutions at all, as many people DO become homeless with min wage jobs already. I don’t know about everywhere, but in NJ to rent most apartments want a couple thousand security deposit plus first months rent. It’s pretty hard to save that making a bit more than $8 an hour (NJ rate). Most apartments in NJ can’t be had for less than $1000 a month for one bedroom. No place is going to rent you $1000 a month apartment if you want to make 320 a week. You also need good credit to rent. As I said a friend of my fiancé‘s had to live in a motel with his family because he could not get anyone to rent to him even though he could afford it because his credit was poor after an illness. If they didn’t have the $50 a day to live in a motel they would be homeless too. And like the patient I had who became homeless while working full-time at an Atlantic City casino. The problems run much deeper than simply “oh that guys a bum and doesn’t want to work”, and simply opening some min wage “camp” is certainly not going to help.
And all of this depends on the competitiveness of the local market.
My market doesn't have anywhere near this kind of demand. People are not beating down the doors to live in northeast Tennessee. We've had several new apartment complexes open in the last couple of years, and now those complexes are duking it out with rent cuts and maybe relaxing qualifications in order to attract tenants.
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