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I am looking at the latest news, and here it goes;
"Health officials have traced at least two confirmed cases of the coronavirus to the specific residential building called Hong Mei House in the Tsing Yi area of Hong Kong.
"As the pipeline that transfers feces is connected to the air pipe, it is very likely for the virus in the feces to be transmitted through the air fan into the toilet," Professor Yuen said."
Are they saying that it can be caught by sitting on the toilet in the same building as someone else in the building who has the virus? Or are they saying the virus goes from the sewer to the air?
They found RNK of the virus in gastrointestinal tract of some patients.
One of the symptoms in some patients is diarrhea.
It is not clear if it was a live viable virus or remnants.
They were informing people about possible oral- fecal pathway of transmission- it is not confirmed- a lot of suppositions still going on. Like as was mentioned they would announce that the virus transmitted by air- the day before yesterday- yesterday- another expert says it is unconfirmed...
Just cover the seat before flashing- aerosol of all kind of nastiest could be there anyway...
If you are a tourist and jump ship in a foreign country where you know no one and perhaps don’t speak the local language, how would you self-isolate without coming into contact with others to try to obtain transportation, housing, food and other help?
You right- used it figuratively- they all should start threatening to jump ship- why couldn’t 4000 passengers to be placed in some military style tents? Or other places without air exchange? Just in case?
You see: it is happening again but in Japan now:the doctors do not think that virus could be transmitted by air for sure, when they eventually learn- it could be late for 4000 passengers?
Why not to assume it is transmitted by air? Out of abundance of caution?
As of now the only mutation is when it jumped from being only bat’s coronavirus- 96% match- to being able to infect people. There could be another animal in-between- still unknown at this time
Besides that- not mutated yet. Usually it make a few months for possible additional mutation(s).
According to Chinese and some other countries who were able to extract this particular strain ( not 100% sure, but heard that Chinese allegedly are not giving away the live virus strain to other countries
They published openly genetic sequence, etc- but they could be afraid to share it?? For it to be used as a bio weapon?- my speculation- don’t quote me.
I think only a very few countries have special labs to be able to obtain a live virus from patients and grow it for studies? The US is obviously the one..
Australia is leading the pack regarding reproducing, studying and addressing the virus:
"Health experts around the world will be able to contain the spread of novel coronavirus among the population faster, following a breakthrough by NSW Health researchers.
Health Minister Brad Hazzard said experts from NSW Health Pathology’s state-of-the-art biosecurity P4 laboratory have successfully grown the live virus from NSW patients.
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This cutting-edge work will expand access to faster, reliable diagnostic testing for infected patients not just here in NSW but around the world,” Professor Dwyer said.
“Being able to cultivate the novel coronavirus with samples from NSW patients as opposed to trying to mimic it from synthetic specimens is a terrific breakthrough."
More cases in the UK, all related to this one man who traveled to Singapore for a business meeting, then stayed at a ski chalet in the Alps on the way back. In the ski chalet he infected five people, then back home he has infected four more. It's said that he might be a "super spreader." He returned to the UK on Jan. 28. A medical clinic in his city has closed down now because one of the doctors has the illness.
He has been linked to five of the other cases - four of which were announced on Monday.
In addition to the eight cases in the UK, five British nationals tested positive in France following the Brighton man's trip to the ski resort.
From what I can glean from different articles, they didn't test the other people on the plane but are looking now for anyone who may have been seated near him. And the man who infected all these people went to a pub where he could have infected people, and was never told to isolate himself from other people. I'm guessing that he could have been the person who infected the doctor and now how many people has the doctor infected?
I think the UK is going to see a lot of cases even though their health department has finally announced that people can be forcibly quarantined.
Forced quarantine is most likely necessary, yet here China was blamed for doing so as well as lock up of residences heavily affected by virus
Is it airborne? Has that been established? If so, it’s very big (and bad) news.
They are still debating it as of today - one expert says yes- the other says- not confirmed
Pay attention- it may change
It seems common sense that it does transmit through the air, but I guess it is controversial in general
So far it is definitely transmitted by
1) direct contact with the infected- kissing, sex?, eating from the same spoon? Drinking from the same cup?
2) aerosol droplets- coughing, sneezing
3) hand to mucosa- mouth, nose and eyes. The virus is capable of survival on surfaces, especially the smooth type - for a long time
4) gastrointestinal transmission was /is? suspected- food, water, toilet aerosol?
5) through air??? no decision yet
We extracted the data on 1,099 patients with laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV ARD from 552 hospitals in 31 provinces/provincial municipalities through January 29th, 2020. Results:
- The median age was 47.0 years, and 41.90% were females.
- Only 1.18% of patients had a direct contact with wildlife
- 31.30% had been to Wuhan and 71.80% had contacted with people from Wuhan.
- Fever (87.9%) and cough (67.7%) were the most common symptoms. Diarrhea is uncommon.
- The median incubation period was 3.0 days (range, 0 to 24.0 days).
- On admission, ground-glass opacity was the typical radiological finding on chest computed tomography (50.00%).
- Significantly more severe cases were diagnosed by symptoms plus reverse-transcriptase polymerase-chain-reaction without abnormal radiological findings than non-severe cases (23.87% vs. 5.20%, P<0.001).
- Lymphopenia was observed in 82.1% of patients.
- 55 patients (5.00%) were admitted to intensive care unit and 15 (1.36%) succumbed.
- Severe pneumonia was independently associated with either the admission to intensive care unit, mechanical ventilation, or death in multivariate competing-risk model (sub-distribution hazards ratio, 9.80; 95% confidence interval, 4.06 to 23.67).
Conclusions: The 2019-nCoV epidemic spreads rapidly by human-to-human transmission. Normal radiologic findings are present among some patients with 2019-nCoV infection. The disease severity (including oxygen saturation, respiratory rate, blood leukocyte/lymphocyte count and chest X-ray/CT manifestations) predict poor clinical outcomes.
You right- used it figuratively- they all should start threatening to jump ship- why couldn’t 4000 passengers to be placed in some military style tents? Or other places without air exchange? Just in case?
You see: it is happening again but in Japan now:the doctors do not think that virus could be transmitted by air for sure, when they eventually learn- it could be late for 4000 passengers?
Why not to assume it is transmitted by air? Out of abundance of caution?
It wouldn't have to be transmitted through air to be transmitted on the cruise ship. It could be on the hands of the cook, or the steward who delivers food and towels, etc.
We extracted the data on 1,099 patients with laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV ARD from 552 hospitals in 31 provinces/provincial municipalities through January 29th, 2020. Results:
- The median age was 47.0 years, and 41.90% were females.
- Only 1.18% of patients had a direct contact with wildlife
- 31.30% had been to Wuhan and 71.80% had contacted with people from Wuhan.
- Fever (87.9%) and cough (67.7%) were the most common symptoms. Diarrhea is uncommon.
- The median incubation period was 3.0 days (range, 0 to 24.0 days).
- On admission, ground-glass opacity was the typical radiological finding on chest computed tomography (50.00%).
- Significantly more severe cases were diagnosed by symptoms plus reverse-transcriptase polymerase-chain-reaction without abnormal radiological findings than non-severe cases (23.87% vs. 5.20%, P<0.001).
- Lymphopenia was observed in 82.1% of patients.
- 55 patients (5.00%) were admitted to intensive care unit and 15 (1.36%) succumbed.
- Severe pneumonia was independently associated with either the admission to intensive care unit, mechanical ventilation, or death in multivariate competing-risk model (sub-distribution hazards ratio, 9.80; 95% confidence interval, 4.06 to 23.67).
Conclusions: The 2019-nCoV epidemic spreads rapidly by human-to-human transmission. Normal radiologic findings are present among some patients with 2019-nCoV infection. The disease severity (including oxygen saturation, respiratory rate, blood leukocyte/lymphocyte count and chest X-ray/CT manifestations) predict poor clinical outcomes.
24 days incubation potentially? Not good, not good at all if correct
pangolins, actually. mentioned a great many pages ago.
Ok, I didn't read a great many pages ago, but thanks!
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