Grocery Store closest to HEB style in Dallas? (Houston, San Antonio: live, stores)

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

There’s literally nothing accurate about this. What’s with the pettiness anyway? People tend
To prefer Houston’s grocery store game. So what? Doesnt mean it’s true. And if it is true, it’s definitely not HEB. It’s Phoenicia, bigger Whole Food presence and Houston having a legit Chinatown and Viet Town whilst Dallas doesn’t. Those ethnic hoods bring plenty of shops in. That’s what Houstonians rave about diversity.

Raving about HEB is a CenTex thing. The only thing that makes Houston more likely to rave about HEB than Dallas is the fact that Dallas doesn’t have one. Otherwise, it would be another Whataburger.

No pettiness.. I ask for an explanation so I can understand where the idea came from.

[serger]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

Specialty stores are grocery stores. They are a type of grocery store. Supermarkets are another form of grocery store.

I buy whole bean coffee from starbucks sometimes. I guess it's a grocery store.

P.S. The discussion was obviously not about small shops offering speciality items. If I want jamon iberico de bellota , I'm not going to look for it at CM (even though they did have it at some point). If I want to get some eastern european stuff, I would not go to CM either. The list goes on. But, again that was not the point.

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by serger

I buy whole bean coffee from starbucks sometimes. I guess it's a grocery store.

P.S. The discussion was obviously not about small shops offering speciality items. If I want jamon iberico de bellota , I'm not going to look for it at CM (even though they did have it at some point). If I want to get some eastern european stuff, I would not go to CM either. The list goes on. But, again that was not the point.

I TOTALLY agree!!

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by serger

I buy whole bean coffee from starbucks sometimes. I guess it's a grocery store.

P.S. The discussion was obviously not about small shops offering speciality items. If I want jamon iberico de bellota , I'm not going to look for it at CM (even though they did have it at some point). If I want to get some eastern european stuff, I would not go to CM either. The list goes on. But, again that was not the point.

Incase you don’t underestand how conversations work, a topic is brought up, people discuss overtime and topics evolve. The topic here was pages deep before mentioning specialty shops. At the point it was Brought up, we were talking about shopping experience overall. So either you haven’t been keeping up or you’ve never participated in a conversation.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

I TOTALLY agree!!

I actually don’t think you do lol. I brought up specialty shops in favor of Dallas. The general consensus here is that Houston has better full scale grocers. I bet now you’ll like them specialty shops lol

[LocalPlanner]

The main difference as noted by the grocery industry between DFW and the Central / South Texas and Houston markets is that thanks largely to HEB, Walmart did not become overly dominant. I know that DFW has other grocers, obviously, but Walmart is really considered the 800-pound gorilla there. In SA/Austin/Houston, HEB (and in Houston Kroger and Fiesta) have managed to hold their own. This is because HEB upped its game considerably in the early 2000s. Walmart is in those markets of course, and plays a major role, but doesn't have the same dominance as in DFW in terms of its share of grocery spending.

I'm curious that no one has mentioned El Rancho. That's out of DFW, right? It is supposedly highly respected in the Hispanic grocery segment. Fiesta doesn't get the love it used to, I don't know why.

[citidata18]

Originally Posted by LocalPlanner

The main difference as noted by the grocery industry between DFW and the Central / South Texas and Houston markets is that thanks largely to HEB, Walmart did not become overly dominant. I know that DFW has other grocers, obviously, but Walmart is really considered the 800-pound gorilla there. In SA/Austin/Houston, HEB (and in Houston Kroger and Fiesta) have managed to hold their own. This is because HEB upped its game considerably in the early 2000s. Walmart is in those markets of course, and plays a major role, but doesn't have the same dominance as in DFW in terms of its share of grocery spending.

I'm curious that no one has mentioned El Rancho. That's out of DFW, right? It is supposedly highly respected in the Hispanic grocery segment. Fiesta doesn't get the love it used to, I don't know why.

A couple things took place when H-E-B first ventured into Houston:

1. H-E-B didn't realize how competitive Houston's grocery segment was (and just imagine, DFW's grocery segment is even *more* competitive than Houston's), thus initially their supply chain wasn't up to snuff.

2. When Walmart, Target and Kroger saw H-E-B expanding into Houston, they all responded by drastically ramping up their DFW presence to head off H-E-B's entry (which is inevitable *eventually*). That's also why DFW is the only place in Texas with a ton of Super Target stores.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by LocalPlanner

The main difference as noted by the grocery industry between DFW and the Central / South Texas and Houston markets is that thanks largely to HEB, Walmart did not become overly dominant. I know that DFW has other grocers, obviously, but Walmart is really considered the 800-pound gorilla there. In SA/Austin/Houston, HEB (and in Houston Kroger and Fiesta) have managed to hold their own. This is because HEB upped its game considerably in the early 2000s. Walmart is in those markets of course, and plays a major role, but doesn't have the same dominance as in DFW in terms of its share of grocery spending.

I'm curious that no one has mentioned El Rancho. That's out of DFW, right? It is supposedly highly respected in the Hispanic grocery segment. Fiesta doesn't get the love it used to, I don't know why.

Because they have struggled to keep up with the times. Also because back then, such as when I was a kid, Fiesta Was a general spot for all Hispanics. These days it’s still Is, But now you have specific grocery stores for most Hispanic countries. At least the ones with fairly large populations here. Which is most of Latin America besides Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay. As a Venezuelan, we have a full scale gourmet Venezuelan grocery store in Katy built with a bakery and even a night lounge next to it serving Venezuelan beers. Other countries have similar things these days too. This made fiesta lose a lot of ground

The Mexican store these days that kids love throughout Texas and Oklahoma is La Michoacana. And that one is growing quickly and adapting to times. They’re the new hispanic king in Texas. They even have a decent store brand

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by citidata18

A couple things took place when H-E-B first ventured into Houston:

1. H-E-B didn't realize how competitive Houston's grocery segment was (and just imagine, DFW's grocery segment is even *more* competitive than Houston's), thus initially their supply chain wasn't up to snuff.

2. When Walmart, Target and Kroger saw H-E-B expanding into Houston, they all responded by drastically ramping up their DFW presence to head off H-E-B's entry (which is inevitable *eventually*). That's also why DFW is the only place in Texas with a ton of Super Target stores.

Correction: DFW today is more competitive than Houston was back when HEB entered. I think this is what you meant though. These days, Houston is more competitive with grocers than DFW. Even in the gourmet category. Central market drives the gourmet grocers in DFW. In Houston, it’s split between CM, Whole Foods, Phoenicia and Harvest Market. The Whole Foods here have upped their game to stay competitive.

[citidata18]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

Correction: DFW today is more competitive than Houston was back when HEB entered. I think this is what you meant though. These days, Houston is more competitive with grocers than DFW.

I'm not certain about that. We're strictly talking about regular mainline grocery stores like H-E-B (not gourmet grocers).

In addition to the regular mainline grocery stores Houston has (DFW's equivalent to Randall's is Tom Thumb), DFW also has:

*Market Street
*WinCo Foods
*Albertsons

DFW also has way more Super Target stores than Houston, adding to the competition.

I've also heard DFW is the #1 market in the country for both Kroger and Walmart. They're not giving up that title easily, and H-E-B knows it.