Dallas officer involved in fatal shooting (Howe: best, roach, location)

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by tigermomma

Not defending the police officer at all, just sharing some relevant "extras" that may be helpful.

The police officer had just moved into the apartment building one month ago, so she was still probably
not all that familiar with the entrance or layout? I am going to assume that her door was located in the
exact same spot on the floor that she lived on. Unfortunately, that did not dissuade her from assuming
correctly that she was at the wrong door.

The police officer had been delivering warrants in a very dicey Dallas neighborhood. If you ever so much
have DROVE thru a dicey Dallas neighborhood, you would make sure that you drove as fast as you could.
This young officer had to walk thru this neighborhood, she could have been a bundle of raw nerves when
she made this horrible choice. I am just surmising.

I think it is a case of Manslaughter. I think the Manslaughter charge is just in this case. I cannot imagine
how the department is going to handle the public relations nightmare this complete and utter tragedy is.
What a wonderful young man the victim was, and how unthinkable this all is.

There is now a report that the officer directed the victim to raise his arms and he did not comply. At that point what are her choices? Unfortunately I believe protocols and training would be for her to shoot.

So a terrible accident. But not a crime...or at least not a crime provable beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Jaggy001]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

There is now a report that the officer directed the victim to raise his arms and he did not comply. At that point what are her choices? Unfortunately I believe protocols and training would be for her to shoot.

So a terrible accident. But not a crime...or at least not a crime provable beyond a reasonable doubt.

So there are witnesses?

Or is this her excuse?

[yjc281]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

There is now a report that the officer directed the victim to raise his arms and he did not comply. At that point what are her choices? Unfortunately I believe protocols and training would be for her to shoot.

So a terrible accident. But not a crime...or at least not a crime provable beyond a reasonable doubt.

I'm not saying that it is right or wrong but in the real world police is very rarely convicted.
Guns are dangerous and accidents simply happen way too often than I feel comfortable to see.


An extremely sad tragedy for someone who was actually a police supporter.
https://www.westword.com/news/richar...-says-10616465


Another sad tragedy
https://www.wdtn.com/news/florida-po...ing/1003131370


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...Justine_Damond


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Akai_Gurley


It makes me sad reading those in the news....

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by Jaggy001

And don't assume that a uniformed police officer is a friendly call.

Oh, especially that.

Remember not long ago the Kansas case where an innocent man had been SWATted by a malevolent hoax call that he was armed and holding hostages? The police go to the house and ring the doorbell. The guy--suspecting nothing-- answers the door and the police immediately shoot him dead.

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by tigermomma

Not defending the police officer at all, just sharing some relevant "extras" that may be helpful.

The police officer had just moved into the apartment building one month ago, so she was still probably
not all that familiar with the entrance or layout? I am going to assume that her door was located in the
exact same spot on the floor that she lived on. Unfortunately, that did not dissuade her from assuming
correctly that she was at the wrong door.

The police officer had been delivering warrants in a very dicey Dallas neighborhood. If you ever so much
have DROVE thru a dicey Dallas neighborhood, you would make sure that you drove as fast as you could.
This young officer had to walk thru this neighborhood, she could have been a bundle of raw nerves when
she made this horrible choice. I am just surmising.

I think it is a case of Manslaughter. I think the Manslaughter charge is just in this case. I cannot imagine
how the department is going to handle the public relations nightmare this complete and utter tragedy is.
What a wonderful young man the victim was, and how unthinkable this all is.

Please, how long does it take someone to acclimate to a new place?

She never should have been a cop if she is a bundle of "raw nerves".

You're making very poor excuses for her.

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

There is now a report that the officer directed the victim to raise his arms and he did not comply. At that point what are her choices? Unfortunately I believe protocols and training would be for her to shoot.

So a terrible accident. But not a crime...or at least not a crime provable beyond a reasonable doubt.

Who is reporting that? Her.

Let's see someone barges into your home and you're supposed to put your hands in the air? Not be in utter shock?

Yes, a crime was committed.

[Mr. Ryu]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

There is now a report that the officer directed the victim to raise his arms and he did not comply. At that point what are her choices? Unfortunately I believe protocols and training would be for her to shoot.

So a terrible accident. But not a crime...or at least not a crime provable beyond a reasonable doubt.

Did she see a gun on the victim? What not tazer the victim?

This story makes no sense and it will continue to make no sense. This officer was either drunk or high. If you read the arrest affidavit it makes less sense.

No security cameras at this apt complex???

His apt # is 1478; her apt # is 1378. Also, the #s are outside the doors. You can read the arrest affidavit for DPD on the Heavy.com link.

The crime happened at September 6, 2018 at about 9:59 p.m yet she was arrested on September 9, 2018. Hopefully, her blood was drawn on Sept 6 and an Alcohol test was administered also on Sept 6. If they decided to do it on Sept 9th, 3 days after the incident then any trace of drugs will be gone from her system.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/amber-guyger/

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by Jaggy001

So there are witnesses?

Or is this her excuse?

Her version of the event. But it is also consistent with the event. And it may well be why the TX Rangers were slow to arrest her.
Basically the prosecutor will have to prove she lied about the failure to comply. And that is very likely to prove to be impossible.
So does an officer have the right to shoot a person who is approaching at close proximity in a dark room who is not cooperating?

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

Her version of the event. But it is also consistent with the event. And it may well be why the TX Rangers were slow to arrest her.
Basically the prosecutor will have to prove she lied about the failure to comply. And that is very likely to prove to be impossible.
So does an officer have the right to shoot a person who is approaching at close proximity in a dark room who is not cooperating?

Which means she'll walk out of the courtroom, la-de-da, because the people who will be in the jury have already been trained that there is no circumstance in which a police officer cannot shoot anyone based on "I was in fear of my life"--and there is no situation in which that can be questioned.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by Mr. Ryu

Why would he have to raise his hands when he is in HIS home? Again are there no Apt # signage on the doors in Dallas? Did she take the elevator or stairs?

This story makes no sense and it will continue to make no sense. This officer was either drunk or high.

No security cameras at this apt complex???

I'm staying out of this for a bit, mostly, but your first point is right on the money.

A few years ago in Kansas City IIRC a guy was cleaning his .45ACP on a table. Cops stormed in he didn't comply perfectly and was killed in his own home. The homeowner was a middle aged white guy, the cops skated away clean....................even though they forcibly entered THE WRONG HOUSE.