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I have read somehwere that black tend to develop high BP earlier in life and it is more severe than other races. So far, mines has not really been going down even with exercise.
The clothes made for fat women are really ugly. Why do the skinny people get all the cute clothes? Sooner or later this country will have no choice but to cater to larger people. We already have "plus" junior sizes so I guess our strategy is working.
Nothing will look good on anyone who's overweight beyond an extent, TJ. That's just the physics of clothing material. You put stuff inside a sack, it's gonna sag and dilate.
Nothing will look good on anyone who's overweight beyond an extent, TJ. That's just the physics of clothing material. You put stuff inside a sack, it's gonna sag and dilate.
I am not saying how the clothes fit per say, I have no trouble finding clothes that fit me. Just the clothing in general is ugly. Ugly sweaters, ugly dresses, etc. Another reason why I just started making my own damn clothes.
Not to get off-topic, you can't seriously compare obesity to a disability. Seriously?
You can DO something about obesity. It make take a long time; you may need some outside help. But, you can change it. You cannot change a disability.
Smokers can quit smoking, alcoholics can quit drinking, drug addicts can quit using, some people with mental problems can get therapy that allows them to function normally, somebody who loses a leg can learn to walk with a prosthetic, apparently you can even train your eyes so that you can quit wearing glasses...you can DO something about all of those. Does somebody still have a problem until they've DONE something about it? Yes.
The thing about obesity that some people don't realize...and in this case, I'm not talking about someone who's maybe 40 lbs overweight, I'm talking a lot more than that...is that once somebody gets to a certain size, they can't walk for exercise, the machines at the gym don't fit them, sometimes they've developed diabetes which means they can't just starve themselves skinny, even if they can find exercises to do at the gym they're usually too self-conscious to go. How do you help someone like that? What do you tell them to do? It's not like smoking, you can't just go cold turkey and get rid of your addiction that way. The morbidly obese who can afford it have bariatric surgery...maybe that helps, maybe not. Maybe they're unlucky and they die on the table. Maybe they lose some weight and then start overeating again. And that's just the ones who can afford the surgery. If you can't afford the surgery, then what? Diet pills? The prescription ones we always see class action lawsuits for a couple of years later? The OTC ones at Walmart that say to wear dark pants while you're taking them (so it doesn't show when you POOP yourself)?
At a certain point obesity does become a disability. Ask anyone who's too large to fit in a standard bathroom stall.
2. Does society give obese men a free pass compared to women?
In Republican politics, the answer is a most definite YES. Can you imagine Sarah Palin being as popular as she is if she was the same size as Chris Christee or Mike Huckabee? She would have never been chosen as John McCains running mate if she was, yet Romney is already fawning over the possibility of Chris Christee as a potential running mate.
Smokers can quit smoking, alcoholics can quit drinking, drug addicts can quit using, some people with mental problems can get therapy that allows them to function normally, somebody who loses a leg can learn to walk with a prosthetic, apparently you can even train your eyes so that you can quit wearing glasses...you can DO something about all of those. Does somebody still have a problem until they've DONE something about it? Yes.
The thing about obesity that some people don't realize...and in this case, I'm not talking about someone who's maybe 40 lbs overweight, I'm talking a lot more than that...is that once somebody gets to a certain size, they can't walk for exercise, the machines at the gym don't fit them, sometimes they've developed diabetes which means they can't just starve themselves skinny, even if they can find exercises to do at the gym they're usually too self-conscious to go. How do you help someone like that? What do you tell them to do? It's not like smoking, you can't just go cold turkey and get rid of your addiction that way. The morbidly obese who can afford it have bariatric surgery...maybe that helps, maybe not. Maybe they're unlucky and they die on the table. Maybe they lose some weight and then start overeating again. And that's just the ones who can afford the surgery. If you can't afford the surgery, then what? Diet pills? The prescription ones we always see class action lawsuits for a couple of years later? The OTC ones at Walmart that say to wear dark pants while you're taking them (so it doesn't show when you POOP yourself)?
At a certain point obesity does become a disability. Ask anyone who's too large to fit in a standard bathroom stall.
I consider disabilities to be a disease or limitation that is beyond the person's control. I don't consider smokers disabled. I'm divided on whether alcohol is a disease or a choice. I have two alcoholics in my immediate family. My doctor said that I had a genetic disposition to become an alcoholic. I can count on one hand the number of times that I have taken a drink in my life (and I am over 30).
You speak as if morbidly obese people are helpless. As if they can't do anything about it until they get to the point to where they no longer fit into a bathroom stall. No one is born weighing 400 pounds. Why don't they stop it when they are 40 pounds overweight? 25 pounds? I know that it seems as if the pounds can come on "seemingly" without notice. Trust me, I know. But you have to wake up and stop it.
That's where the "get help" part of my previous post comes in (you did read it, right?). I have no idea where they would get help from. A psychiatrist would be my guess, since the problem is a mental one. Overeater's Anonymous, maybe.
That's where the "get help" part of my previous post comes in (you did read it, right?). I have no idea where they would get help from. A psychiatrist would be my guess, since the problem is a mental one. Overeater's Anonymous, maybe.
No, sorry, that part of your post was blocked by my fat folds. But I read the rest
So where does someone like that get help? You've got to remember that the obese have trouble getting good medical care too...doctors treat you like you're stupid and lazy, along with being fat. I don't think seeing a shrink helps with weight...hasn't done anything for my father or my sister. My other sister is now on antidepressants to try to lose weight...at the moment she's fat and happy
The reason you think alcoholism "may" be a disease is because it's affected your family. It's great that you have managed to avoid drinking. It's not like a food addict can avoid eating...it takes a lot more self-control to limit yourself than it does to stop something completely.
And I think the reason some people end up really heavy is that they're in denial about their weight issues until they get to a point where they can't deny it anymore...either a medical emergency kind of wake up call, or something else that makes them realize they have a problem. I have a neighbor who must weigh 300 lbs who calls herself "thick". That's denial right there.
I think Overeaters Anonymous only works for people who are religious...maybe someone who has tried it, or another of the Anonymous programs, could comment on that.
No, sorry, that part of your post was blocked by my fat folds. But I read the rest
I said nor I implied nothing about fat folds, I have no idea if you are overweight nor do I care. My post would be the same either way.
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So where does someone like that get help?
Why do you keep asking me this? I have said in my previous two posts that "I don't know where they would get help".
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You've got to remember that the obese have trouble getting good medical care too...doctors treat you like you're stupid and lazy, along with being fat.
Not in my experience, but YMMV.
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I don't think seeing a shrink helps with weight...hasn't done anything for my father or my sister. My other sister is now on antidepressants to try to lose weight...at the moment she's fat and happy
Ok, so tell you what. You don't like any of my suggestions. How about, since you are the ones who think that they are so helpless, you find out where they can get help?
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The reason you think alcoholism "may" be a disease is because it's affected your family.
So now you know why I think the way that I do?
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It's great that you have managed to avoid drinking.
I didn't manage to avoid drinking. I chose not to drink, knowing there were possible risks involved.
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It's not like a food addict can avoid eating...it takes a lot more self-control to limit yourself than it does to stop something completely.
Did you really fell the need to spell this out? Did you really think that I didn't know that a person can't abstain from eating?
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And I think the reason some people end up really heavy is that they're in denial about their weight issues until they get to a point where they can't deny it anymore...either a medical emergency kind of wake up call, or something else that makes them realize they have a problem. I have a neighbor who must weigh 300 lbs who calls herself "thick". That's denial right there.
I agree with this. I called myself thick when I was over 200.
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I think Overeaters Anonymous only works for people who are religious...maybe someone who has tried it, or another of the Anonymous programs, could comment on that.
Just an idea that I threw out there. Perhaps someone who has actually tried it can provide better insight.
I feel an argument brewing. So, this is my last post in regards to this, and Escort Rider I apologize for hijacking your thread.
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Why do you keep asking me this? I have said in my previous two posts that "I don't know where they would get help".
That was my point. The good ol' rhetorical question, a question without an answer, asked to emphasize a point...somebody has a problem that affects everything they do all day long and keeps them from living what we would consider a normal life, we don't even know what kind of doctor could help them, and you can't consider that a problem like that could be a disability or a disease?
Escort Rider I apologize for hijacking your thread.
No apology needed. I am not one of these on-topic Nazis who are so common here on City-Data. I accept that there will be normal thread drift as side issues come up. I do not think I "own" the thread just because I started it. There have been lots of good discussions here, including yours.
1. Are there any credible national statistics on the percentage of men as opposed to women who are obese? Overweight?
2. Does society give obese men a free pass compared to women?
3. Are women harder on each other on this subject than men?
4. Biologically, is it harder for women to lose weight than for men?
5. Provided I am correct that most "fat militants" (there must be a better term, so help me with that too) are women, why is this so? Or perhaps I am not correct.
Sooo much to say on all this... lol...
I didnt look up the statistics, as before whn i looked - i came up w/a few different 'studies.' I think that many times more women eat for emotional reasons than men - and i think that may add to the percentages of overweight women vs. men.
I dont know about a 'free pass,' but fat men are more easily accepted in society, i think we all know that. Looking good (ie. thin) is more for important a woman... For jobs, for her own self-esteem, and for getting a love partner.
I think some of the reasons women are harder on fat women are (and i've seen these things written about) for one - they're thinking - GOD, please dont let that ever be ME! It hits home to them and they're usually terrified of gaining a pound. There was some study done and a high percentage of women (or girls) said they would rather lose a limb than gain 10 lbs. (SICK) Also a study was done regarding how many women had lived on something like 800 calories/day for a period of time, and that's what a 2-yr old should be eating. I dont have links to these articles right now, but i remember them.
Another reason women can be hard on fat women is - they dont like to think about someone else eating what they want, and not letting it bother them. It pisses THEM off! They watch every bite, low fat, low carb, low whatever - and here they see this happy woman - FAT - so she must obviously eat lots of good, fattening foods and desserts - things these women constantly deprive themselves of. (this answer can also go with #5.)
As for who loses weight more easily - every guy i've ever known who went on a diet, lost WAY quicker than women i knew who dieted. I dont know why, or if it only seems that way - but i know it's what i have SEEN. I know that muscle burns more calories than fat, so the guys probly had more muscle than the women in this case, coulda been part of the reason.
It's really too bad we just cant all accept each other. I have no problem with it, especially since i've gotten older.
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It hits home to them and they're usually terrified of gaining a pound. There was some study done and a high percentage of women (or girls) said they would rather lose a limb than gain 10 lbs. (SICK) Also a study was done regarding how many women had lived on something like 800 calories/day for a period of time, and that's what a 2-yr old should be eating. I dont have links to these articles right now, but i remember them.
