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Not really, when people do this they pick bad photos of one person and good photos of another. But Mark Sisson is more muscular than Ornish, but Ornish is a doctor and researcher and Sisson is a former athlete so that is to be expected. And, well, Dean Ornish isn't that attractive but that has nothing to do with diet.
Caldwell Esselstyn is in his 80's and advocates a similar type of diet:
I'd compare him to a low-carbohydrate guru, but I'm not aware of any that are 80+. Atkins would have been in this 80's now but he died over 10 years ago with heart disease. The two knew each other.
Dr. Atkins died because he fell and hit his head on the ice.
I am an ex-vegan, I started eating poultry, fish, dairy and eggs about a year ago and more recently added back red meat.
While I can say I don't feel better or worse either way, it astonishes me how meat, especially red meat it seems, suppresses hunger compared to typical vegan fare. I can have a few ounces of red meat in the morning and not feel any hunger until 5pm, and then only mild hunger. Whereas with the same number of calories from vegan foods (even high protein ones like tofu and beans) I am always hungry within 2-3 hours.
I've watched some documentaries looking at the satiation index of fats vs protein vs carbs and protein is always the most effective at curbing hunger.
The only problem is I still don't like meat (being vegan was always a taste, not an ethical issue for me) so I'd almost rather be hungry all the time than eat meat.
Even when vegan I had a very high fat ratio in my diet but was never overweight (fats are second to protein in terms of reducing hunger).
This is why I don't understand the push to get overweight people to eat fruits and veggies. Neither curbs appetite. It would make more sense to tell them to at least temporarily cut out all grains and starches and focus on protein to deal with hunger management.
The new USDA lunch standards are high carb, low fat, low protein which will do nothing to help childhood obesity (other than the kids skipping lunch altogether because the fruits and veggies are "gross").
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I think especially vegetables, beans, legumes and healthy fats from avocado, hummus, nuts and seeds - all are very satisfying. I eat a small portion of fish or chicken several times a week but not every day and no red meat. No dairy other than plain Greek yogurt in my green smoothie. I have cut down on the fruit because I am convinced that it makes me hungrier, especially tropical fruits (high glycemic) and melons. A bowl of vegan chili with sweet potato and beans is very filling. For me, meat is not as filling as 1/2 cup of quinoa with spicy black beans and a green salad with hummus. Some vegans relay too much on grains and sweets - there are a lot of overweight vegans and vegetarians running around.
Dr. Atkins died because he fell and hit his head on the ice.
Atkins was overweight and had heart disease....his fall was likely due to his poor health. But regardless of why he fell, he was overweight and had heart disease.
I've watched some documentaries looking at the satiation index of fats vs protein vs carbs and protein is always the most effective at curbing hunger.
What documentaries? One of the most developed satiety indexes found that high carbohydrate whole foods were, in general, more satiating than low-fat/high protein foods while fatty foods and sugary foods, whether they had protein or not, had the lowest satiety:
This is why I don't understand the push to get overweight people to eat fruits and veggies. Neither curbs appetite.
Both fruits and veggies have been shown to reduce appetite in a number of studies....especially vegetables. Vegetables have a low calorie density and can fill up your stomach well before you've eaten too much.
Atkins was overweight and had heart disease....his fall was likely due to his poor health. But regardless of why he fell, he was overweight and had heart disease.
I'm NO Atkins fan at all - but he fell because he slipped on the ice and hit his head.
I know a much younger man that did the same thing - dead of winter, walking his dog, slipped on ice and hit his head causing traumatic brain injury.
It had zip, zero, nada to do with his diet.
Yet I also don't believe that a bowl of bacon is good for you.
I'm NO Atkins fan at all - but he fell because he slipped on the ice and hit his head.
Atkins was ill, from heart disease, before he fall and its very likely that contributed to him falling. But regardless of that Atkins, a guy writing diet books, was overweight and had heart disease.
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