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Old 09-05-2011, 06:07 PM
 
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What has the Dept of Education done for the local school districts? Remember Reagan promised to eliminate it in his campaign, but forgot about that after taking office.
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:07 PM
 
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That's why George Wallace, democrat, literally stood in a schoolhouse door to deny entry to blacks. And the Ed dept was created under Carter -long after desegregation was a fact of life.

Failed attempt at propaganda here, nothing to see.

Remember folks: It has to be racism. If it wasn't, they'd have to debate us on the merits.
Did you read "Republicans" have a opposed the Department of Education because they supported segregated school systems? That's funny. I read "conservatives," which is accurate.
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Did you read "Republicans" have a opposed the Department of Education because they supported segregated school systems? That's funny. I read "conservatives," which is accurate.
No. It isn't. To say that (all) conservatives supported segregation is to engage in stereotyping.
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:10 PM
 
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A long-time goal of the Republican Party -- going back to the Reagan administration. The Dept. of Edu enforces, albeit inconsistently, the now antiquated SCOTUS decision in the Brown cases.

Gutting the Dept. of Edu is massive resistance in microcosm or "states' rights." Again, to reiterate, conservatives have wanted to maintain segregated public education ever since May 17, 1954. This is why axing Edu is Bachmann's goal.
Oh please, pull your head out of your COLLECTIVE arse! The idea is that we do not create a central control of government that dictates to ALL that which is truth, that which is important, and that which is required. If you can not understand the POWER of such control, then you are simply an advocate of their control.
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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I'm center right, and there are plenty of issues where I think federal gov't can do things more efficiently than state/local gov't. Education is not one of them. I don't see the purpose of the federal dep't of education.
There is a problem, Federal Government was never meant do things more "efficient", it was designed to be "inefficient" to protect from it being able to assert any relevant power over the states.
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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I agree. Edu is a cartel, but one that will be replaced with 51 little cartels.

I think another reason Edu got so big (was part of HEW long, long ago) is because of the Cold War and the Soviet launch of Sputnik. Nixon made it fundamental in enforcing federal laws where state laws were contradictory.
We have them already / also at this time .
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:18 PM
 
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Are you all seriously implying that the Dept of Ed is the only thing keeping public schools integrated? And even if that's the case, why do you need an entire federal agency to enforce one rule?
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Elgin, Illinois
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I understand why some thing the Dept of Education is unconstitutional, and other's argue they are all about social indoctrination, but beyond that, what have they done that's so great? Has the quality of education soared in this country? An awful lot of taxpayer dollars seems to have been flushed away with no tangible results.
If I'm not mistaken there are more people today with college degrees and people's IQs have also gone up since the last 60 years, so it has done some good. It's not exactly a complete waste like so many people argue, but it does appear to have problems and perhaps a reform would not hurt.
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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Our educational system is messed up anyways. Might as well reform it.
Reform it to the benefit of a controlling government? Maybe institute learning centers for the children to which they "properly" teach what is required by the government in order to "properly" assert the control of the government. This has been done before, it was called "Hitlers Youth" and they were the primary pool to which the SS pulled from.

Seriously, we do better leaving education to the states and the federal government being simply an institution of "PROMOTION" of moral and virtue. If we do more (dictate and control education), we simply create a grounds for incubate servitude to a controlling ideal. That is, you create soldiers for a political cause.
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Elgin, Illinois
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Reform it to the benefit of a controlling government? Maybe institute learning centers for the children to which they "properly" teach what is required by the government in order to "properly" assert the control of the government. This has been done before, it was called "Hitlers Youth" and they were the primary pool to which the SS pulled from.

Seriously, we do better leaving education to the states and the federal government being simply an institution of "PROMOTION" of moral and virtue. If we do more (dictate and control education), we simply create a grounds for incubate servitude to a controlling ideal. That is, you create soldiers for a political cause.
And states wouldn't do this? Haven't some conservative states attempted to add creationism to the curriculum?
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