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But you support Obama.. yeah, not a sucker there, no con job taking place, after all, he was a community organizer.. haha
Maybe so, but at least I knew who I was voting for. He's turned out exactly as he promised. Not as successful as we'd have liked, but still the same guy after the election as he was before.
Not so with recent GOP candidates. They campaign as conservatives, but govern as liberals and y'all keep right on believing them.
You know...occasionally, it helps to look beyond the labels. Y'all are like the citizens of OZ, not interested in finding who's behind the curtain so long as he says the right things.
I had wished Rand wouldn't endorse Romney, but I had suspected that he will. Maybe he was forced to do it or whatever, but even then it's not an excuse. The grassroots is pretty pissed at the moment, but all of us always knew that Rand is no Ron. Ron Pauls don't grow on trees.
I know the immediate reflex would be to say that Rand is not as crazy as Ron Paul supporters, and that maybe right. Endorsement or not, we still do NOT believe that Romney has anything in common with us. Even if Rand or Ron is the VP, Romney is still NOT getting our votes. So nothing has changed for the grassroots.
We soldier on. This is not about getting the nomination for Paul. I can tell you right now that the chances for it are pretty slim. I had started to look beyond that a couple of months ago. This is to remake the GOP into what they claim on paper that they are, and to take the country back to its constitutional roots.
Niether will be the VP candidate: certainly not Ron, but most likely not Rand either for several reasons, the first being he is too new to politics, Romney will go with someone who has been around a little longer.
I will add, what do you mean by not as crazy as Ron Paul supporters, I think the vote would be for the candidate, not the actually supporters. of course some might think the supporters represent the saneness or lack of same as the candidate. I, for one, do not happen to think Ron Paul is crazy. I don't like all his views or ideas, but that doesn't make him crazy.
Nor mine and I'm disgusted with Rand. I think his announcement is WAY too premature. The entire venue at the state convention was EXTREMELY PRO Ron Paul tonight. It was WAY too early for Rand to come out and say something like that. Tom Woods agrees as you can hear in his little commentary after he talks to Rand on Peter Schiff's radio show that Tom guest hosted today. Note that he adds that it would DESTROY Ron Paul's legacy if Ron Paul ever came out and backed Mitt Romney.
" Rand and therefore Ron", you say? Since when are they the same person? Rand just stabbed the Liberty Movement in the back. Ron hasn't done anything of the sort.
Also Romney and Rand both have another thing coming if they think this endorsement will sway any Ron Paul supporters over to Romney because of Rand. Rather Rand just shot himself in the foot with this announcement!
You can't be so naive as to think that Rands endorsement of Romney wasn't discussed and approved by his father.Ron wants to calm things down a bit before the convention because he wants 'the Liberty Movement' to have a long term future within the republican party and knows thats not going to happen if his supporters alienate the 75-85% of the party who are open to a lot of his ideas on some level but aren't Paul fanatics.
I think Rand might be in a Cabinet level position, given that he was in private meetings with Romney recently. As for VP, I only see 3 possibilities: Mitch Daniels, Tim Pawlenty, and Marco Rubio. Daniels and Pawlenty are not controversial figures and more the more low-key of the GOP "rising stars". I think the Rubio card is better used in 2016. So, Rand is either going to be Cabinet level in 2012, or VP in 2016.
You can't be so naive as to think that Rands endorsement of Romney wasn't discussed and approved by his father.Ron wants to calm things down a bit before the convention because he wants 'the Liberty Movement' to have a long term future within the republican party and knows thats not going to happen if his supporters alienate the 75-85% of the party who are open to a lot of his ideas on some level but aren't Paul fanatics.
I agree. Paul is a politician, he's not God's messenger or anything. That by itself preventedme from enthusiastically embracing Ron Paul, plus a few positions I never agreed with him on. Politicians will always be politicians. I think they did this because they might have been more spoilers than winners, ensuring an Obama victory. Read my post above, I think Rand got himself a Cabinet position with Romney or a future in 2016
And the Paulbots will still cling to their "second ballot" rally cry.
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Romney doesn't have my vote.
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Obviously, Rand and therefore Ron, know it is not premature in the least. It is basically over. Everyone in the US and many in other countries know that Mitt Romney is the nominee. For all intents and purposes, the general election campaign is already going on.
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Can't wait until Ron Paul announces his endorsement of Mitt Romney...lol.
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" Rand and therefore Ron", you say? Since when are they the same person? Rand just stabbed the Liberty Movement in the back. Ron hasn't done anything of the sort.
Also Romney and Rand both have another thing coming if they think this endorsement will sway any Ron Paul supporters over to Romney because of Rand. Rather Rand just shot himself in the foot with this announcement!
It's another move in the grand chess game... Rand is thinking about HIS future after Ron Paul is elected in 2012... Rand is just assimilating himself with the GOP so he won't be alienated in the future...
Ron Paul still has the delegates and this will force a brokered convention in Tampa... Ron Paul will win the 2012 nomination on the second ballot... Possibly even on the first ballot... This is a strategic move that was already planned by Rand Paul and his father Ron.
It's another move in the grand chess game... Rand is thinking about HIS future after Ron Paul is elected in 2012... Rand is just assimilating himself with the GOP so he won't be alienated in the future...
Ron Paul still has the delegates and this will force a brokered convention in Tampa... Ron Paul will win the 2012 nomination on the second ballot... Possibly even on the first ballot... This is a strategic move that was already planned by Rand Paul and his father Ron.
People are voting for the Not Obama that has a chance to win. Ron Paul ain't it.
Hopefully, neither is Romney.
Of all the Republican's out there, Mittens is hardly the best they could choose. In fact, I don't think they could have chosen a worse candidate. At least with Santorum or Paul or Bachmann, you KNEW where they stood. With Romney, you simply don't. He's all things to all people, which means no people know who he really is.
Voting for Romney is a bit like Nancy Pelosi's comment about the healthcare reform bill: Ya gotta vote him in to see what he's about.
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" Rand and therefore Ron", you say? Since when are they the same person? Rand just stabbed the Liberty Movement in the back. Ron hasn't done anything of the sort.
