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View Poll Results: Should the US take $1.5 trillion in Iraqi oil?
Yes 67 47.52%
No 74 52.48%
Voters: 141. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-03-2016, 12:23 PM
 
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No. We have our own oil, and we can get some from Canada. And it would be cheaper.
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Old 05-03-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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So the best plan is to take a bad idea and double down on it? Brilliant. So let's just say we occupy Iraq and it costs us nothing (maybe the Mexicans can do it), then we figure out the logistics on moving 5 million barrels of oil every day to market. The the US government sells the oil on the international commodities exchange. So the government controls the means of production, takes the money, and redistributes is among the people. Isn't that communism?
Add to that the fact that the government is now competing against other domestic oil producers. Isn't that picking winners and losers in the marketplace? Maybe you guys ought to take another look at Bernie!
Trump and his 20+ supporters in this thread are under the delusion that the oil will be free. They don't account for extraction, processing, transport, and security costs. Their plan is more expensive than buying oil on the world market and requires a permanent occupying force in Iraq.
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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It's not stealing - it's spoils of war.

To the conquerors go the spoils. Deal with it.
I thought we were liberators.

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And why should you and I have to pay for all the money squandered in the war(s).
The US electorate wanted the wars ever so badly. That means the US taxpayer pays for them. Thank Rupert Murdoch for doing such a great job of selling the Iraq war.

I mean, some of us tried to warn you, but noooooo - the nice people on Fox News told you it was going to be cheap and fast and Iraq was just about to bomb us all with their massive WMD stores, and would they lie?
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Old 05-03-2016, 02:23 PM
 
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Trump and his 20+ supporters in this thread are under the delusion that the oil will be free. They don't account for extraction, processing, transport, and security costs. Their plan is more expensive than buying oil on the world market and requires a permanent occupying force in Iraq.
Bingo.

Which is why the liberal lie that Bush invaded for oil was absurd. We could have bought a crap ton of oil for the cost of the war that didn't produce any oil benefits that we couldn't have gotten without the war.
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Old 05-03-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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Disgusting.
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Old 05-03-2016, 08:00 PM
 
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No. We have our own oil, and we can get some from Canada. And it would be cheaper.


the US had troops there for like ten years anyway, that's when they should have sucked the wells dry
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Old 05-03-2016, 08:08 PM
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the US had troops there for like ten years anyway, that's when they should have sucked the wells dry
We probably could of done just that in keeping the tents air conditioned for the military. No bigger consumer in the history of the planet. What a waste.
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Old 05-03-2016, 08:26 PM
 
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If Trump had his way, Saddam would still be leading Iraq.
When he says "take the oil", he's only referring to the terrorist groups.
I voted "no", because it's not our oil. We caused this mess.
In 2011 and 2013 he was very clearly referring to Iraqi oil as a whole, not just "terrorist oil"

In 2011 he said the US should take $1.5 trillion in oil assets (or 20% of Iraq's oil reserves)
and then also said the US should take all $15 trillion in oil assets. If you click my links you'll see this for yourself.

In 2015 he again said the US should "take the oil" without referring to terrorist oil, but Iraqi oil in general. In his campaign ads in late 2015, he said we should take ISIS' oil. But here's the issue with that: ISIS' oil is itself considered stolen oil. In Syria, Assad thinks the oil they stole belongs to him. I'm fine with stealing oil from Assad, personally, but I find it hard to believe the Free Syrian Army (John McCain/Obama's allies) will be OK with the US stealing oil and keeping it for itself. If the US steals ISIS oil it has to give it to allied Syrians. Otherwise the US would be stealing previously stolen oil, and we'd be inviting attacks from the FSA.

I think it's absolutely inevitable that if the US were to try to steal $1.5 trillion in Iraqi oil, US military forces would be forced to kill tens of thousands of formerly allied Iraqi Shia and Kurdish soldiers who would attempt to stop the theft.
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Old 05-04-2016, 07:12 AM
 
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I thought we were liberators.

The US electorate wanted the wars ever so badly. That means the US taxpayer pays for them. Thank Rupert Murdoch for doing such a great job of selling the Iraq war.

I mean, some of us tried to warn you, but noooooo - the nice people on Fox News told you it was going to be cheap and fast and Iraq was just about to bomb us all with their massive WMD stores, and would they lie?

We are liberating the oil.
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Old 05-04-2016, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The only real solution to rising oil costs and consumption is to switch to alternative energy, (ethanol and methanol),. I believe it was Brazil that did this and their economy boomed as a resulted. Oil companies don't like to hear this but its the truth. Taking oil from this place or that place are only temporary solutions. I'm not opposed to taking oil from Iraq, but its not the "cure-all" for rising oil prices.
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