Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
You republicans and guns make me laugh. Good God, nobody is going to take your guns. We need to come together and look at the issues. There are to many people who live in rural areas that don't hear about a 12 year being shot multiple times in a drive by by a AK-47.
Obama, has NO PLAN to take your right to own a rifle.
Why does it have to be all or nothing with you gun lovers? Why don't you ever consider new and fresh laws to keep assult weapons out of the hands of criminals that kill people everyday? The NRA slows down the process of coming to terms to allow hunters to keep their rifles, and introduce laws to limit who owns guns, and what type of guns.
I want to go back to you and pick apart what you said,But first read my post above on .50 caliber rifles and think about that....
Now,how many people don't hear about the 1000's of people who go to a range with a AK,shoot bowling pins and never hurt anybody?Do you know how many times I read a media report on a shooting and they said a "assault rifle" or "AK" was used yet show the weapon used and is not one?The average person not into guns wouldn't know the difference any way on this mis-reporting.
Why does it have to be all or nothing?Because that is what the gun grabbers are ultimately after.Why consider new laws that ban when it won't stop criminals anyway?
And let me ask,limit who's guns?Who is who?And what defines type?Because as I said the media isn't interested in reporting real types,neither are those who would push a gun ban.
Some of you say Obama won't go after them,well the Democratic party has a history of doing just that and you think Obama won't sign a bill put in front of him by his party?Specially given his record of voting on the issue?
And you know this isn't just about us keeping our guns,but the future generations being able to keep them also,other wise all the future generations will have are the broken rust buckets that were grand fathered in when they were banned.But of course that might be the agenda anyway.........
lets talk about that spin point that Democrats,certain Republicans use to force their brand of common sense on others.........
.50BMG caliber rifles.They cost alot,they are as long as a person,they weigh over 20 lbs and most are single shot rifles.What criminal is going to lug around a 5ft 30lb rifle to rob people with?In fact not one has ever been used in a crime.
Yet.........a ban on them led mainly by Democrats has been pushed.Why?They say "no one needs those".They say they have the potential to shoot a airplane out of the sky.Well yes they do have that potential to do that,but a box cutter has the potential to bring a plane out of the sky also doesn't it?And if someone did use that rifle in a crime why punish the 1000's of of other people who have one but never used it wrongly?
So I ask,what is the true agenda for banning guns?Because making people "safe" isn't it.............
I say we ban everything. Heck even a toothbrush can be made into a shank
In 2001, the NRA's magazine, America's First Freedom, said that John McCain was "one of the premier flag carriers for the enemies of the Second Amendment." That came after McCain introduced federal legislation on gun show background checks, which came after McCain's appearances in television ads supporting referenda in Colorado and Oregon to require backgrounds checks at gun shows. The NRA vehemently opposed those measures, which were passed by voters. The ads can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1c4Ko2KvEw and here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o545OWyD-k
In 2001, the NRA's magazine, America's First Freedom, said that John McCain was "one of the premier flag carriers for the enemies of the Second Amendment." That came after McCain introduced federal legislation on gun show background checks, which came after McCain's appearances in television ads supporting referenda in Colorado and Oregon to require backgrounds checks at gun shows. The NRA vehemently opposed those measures, which were passed by voters. The ads can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1c4Ko2KvEw and here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o545OWyD-k
lets talk about that spin for a second.They claim a gunshow loophole is people selling guns at a show without paperwork.They want to close that "loophole".What is the difference if 2 people make a transaction in a McDonalds parking lot or in a house?Is there a "parking lot or resident" loophole???????
here we go again with spin that is more about closing gunshows because it is a jab at gunowners,it isn't about controling no paper trail guns because you can't control that!!!!!
In 2001, the NRA's magazine, America's First Freedom, said that John McCain was "one of the premier flag carriers for the enemies of the Second Amendment." That came after McCain introduced federal legislation on gun show background checks, which came after McCain's appearances in television ads supporting referenda in Colorado and Oregon to require backgrounds checks at gun shows. The NRA vehemently opposed those measures, which were passed by voters. The ads can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1c4Ko2KvEw and here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o545OWyD-k
AHSA is actually an anti-gun group that was formed to be deceptive. NRA-ILA :: Fact Sheets (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=232&issue=011 - broken link)
lets talk about that spin for a second.They claim a gunshow loophole is people selling guns at a show without paperwork.They want to close that "loophole".What is the difference if 2 people make a transaction in a McDonalds parking lot or in a house?Is there a "parking lot or resident" loophole???????
here we go again with spin that is more about closing gunshows because it is a jab at gunowners,it isn't about controling no paper trail guns because you can't control that!!!!!
Great post lionking. What we are seeing the Dems attempt, is the restriction of a private party purchasing from or selling to another private party a given lawful item.
Obama intends to preside over a massive redistribution of wealth from the responsibles to the irresponsibles.
Time out here.... Trying to tell me that the banks, mortgage institutions, hedge-funds, underwriters etc, etc, etc who made TONS of cash off of irresponsible lending are responsible???
Are you trying to say that the top 5% of earners in this country are only there because they're responsible???
And conversely that anyone in the middle class and below are irresponsible???
Where do you get this from???
Yeah, don't get me wrong. There is plenty of blame that should reside with some of these idiots that took out sub-prime loans and such.
But FACT is that lending institutions and crediters make the bulk of their profits off of high-risk borrowers... They approved these loans and in a LOT of cases didn't even bother to verify income. The took a risk, they lost...
Your statement here is irrepsonsible and unfactual.
Bottom line is that this economic crisis we're in shows us that, in fact, those you are trying to claim as responsible are nothing of the sort.
I don't have a problem with guns it's the availability of the ammunition that's the issue. The politicians need to address that before the guns. Without bullets gun no worky. That used to be the topic some years back but it never went anywhere.
unfortunatly for you, any attempt to ban the cartridge would be found to be unconstitutional. It would restrict ones own rights to bear arms.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
