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Old 12-13-2008, 07:49 PM
 
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Yet you provide no credible proof....
The credible proof is the fact that Obama's father was not a U.S. Citizen, which prevents Obama from being a Natural Born Citizen (regardless where he was born) which is a requirement to be President. That's the proof against Obama. What you fail to accept or understand is that Obama cannot provide ANY PROOF that he is a Natural Born Citizen!

Actual filing: http://www.cusc.org/cases/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz.rtf

Supplement: http://www.cusc.org/cases/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz-supp.rtf

"Natural Born Citizen" is a requirement to be President of the United States as required by Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution.
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Old 12-13-2008, 07:53 PM
 
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The credible proof is the fact that Obama's father was not a U.S. Citizen, which prevents Obama from being a Natural Born Citizen (regardless where he was born) which is a requirement to be President. That's the proof against Obama. What you fail to accept or understand is that Obama cannot provide ANY PROOF that he is a Natural Born Citizen!

Actual filing: http://www.cusc.org/cases/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz.rtf

Supplement: http://www.cusc.org/cases/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz-supp.rtf

"Natural Born Citizen" is a requirement to be President of the United States as required by Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution.
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Old 12-13-2008, 08:16 PM
 
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The credible proof is the fact that Obama's father was not a U.S. Citizen, which prevents Obama from being a Natural Born Citizen (regardless where he was born) which is a requirement to be President. That's the proof against Obama. What you fail to accept or understand is that Obama cannot provide ANY PROOF that he is a Natural Born Citizen!

"Natural Born Citizen" is a requirement to be President of the United States as required by Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution.
Kootr, let me ask you something

Were the following men actual Presidents of the United States of America?

Andrew Jackson, is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.

So, if what you say is true then the United States of America has already been presided over by seven unAmericans...

Time to quit beating that tired dead horse man, seriously.
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Old 12-13-2008, 08:25 PM
 
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Old 12-13-2008, 09:52 PM
 
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Kootr, let me ask you something

Were the following men actual Presidents of the United States of America?

Andrew Jackson, is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.

So, if what you say is true then the United States of America has already been presided over by seven unAmericans...

Time to quit beating that tired dead horse man, seriously.
If you will read the case before the Supreme Court this is all addressed. For a short answer to your question - the framer's of the Constitution had to get around the fact that they themselves failed to meet the requirements of the Constitution due to them having parents that were not U.S. citizens, thus they grandfathered themselves. As such it was understood it would take at least 35 years for them to have a children eligible for the Presidency under the Constitution... Beyond that, all the Presidents you named above (with the exception of Chester Arthur) had parents that became U.S. citizens prior to the birth of their child that would go on to become President. In the case of Chester Arthur, he lied about his father, birthday, etc. to hide the fact that he was ineligible due to him not being a natural born citizen under the Constitution. He got away with it...

If you are interested in knowing about Chester Arthur and his ineligibility, here is a good short read (which also applies to the Obama case): http://www.cusc.org/cases/Wrotnowski...ewicz-supp.rtf
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Old 12-13-2008, 10:35 PM
 
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You may want to read Perkins v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939):

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The U.S. Supreme Court concluded that Marie Elizabeth Elg who was born in the United States of Swedish parents then naturalized in the United States, had not lost her birthright U.S. citizenship because of her removal during minority to Sweden and was entitled to all the rights and privileges of that U.S. citizenship. In this case, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the decree that declared Miss Elg "to be a natural born citizen of the United States."
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Old 12-13-2008, 11:32 PM
 
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You also might want to read this, again (sigh):
Constitutional Topic: Citizenship - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

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Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States
(Plus more on list)
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President
.

You will note, again, there is no parentage requirement for anyone born in the US.

This is US law, not just some bozo's interpretation of it.
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Old 12-14-2008, 06:28 AM
 
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The credible proof is the fact that Obama's father was not a U.S. Citizen, which prevents Obama from being a Natural Born Citizen (regardless where he was born) which is a requirement to be President. That's the proof against Obama. What you fail to accept or understand is that Obama cannot provide ANY PROOF that he is a Natural Born Citizen!

Actual filing: http://www.cusc.org/cases/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz.rtf

Supplement: http://www.cusc.org/cases/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz-supp.rtf

"Natural Born Citizen" is a requirement to be President of the United States as required by Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution.
Yes he did and Bruce Springsteen sang it.
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Old 12-14-2008, 06:29 AM
 
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You may want to read Perkins v. ELG, 307 U.S. 325 (1939):
Fact and precedent law are relevant to this topic? Gollllllllly thats a new one to me. You sure?
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Old 12-14-2008, 06:30 AM
 
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If you will read the case before the Supreme Court this is all addressed. For a short answer to your question - the framer's of the Constitution had to get around the fact that they themselves failed to meet the requirements of the Constitution due to them having parents that were not U.S. citizens, thus they grandfathered themselves. As such it was understood it would take at least 35 years for them to have a children eligible for the Presidency under the Constitution... Beyond that, all the Presidents you named above (with the exception of Chester Arthur) had parents that became U.S. citizens prior to the birth of their child that would go on to become President. In the case of Chester Arthur, he lied about his father, birthday, etc. to hide the fact that he was ineligible due to him not being a natural born citizen under the Constitution. He got away with it...

If you are interested in knowing about Chester Arthur and his ineligibility, here is a good short read (which also applies to the Obama case): http://www.cusc.org/cases/Wrotnowski...ewicz-supp.rtf
Didn't the court decide not to accept the case which is what the thread is about?
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