How do other Europeans view Iberian countries? and non Europeans?

[ABQConvict]

Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed

Americans think Spain is some city in Mexico, even Hispanic Americans don't know about Spain. They are clearly black or brown, but they call themselves "Spanish", when they definitely aren't.

In New Mexico, it is mostly White Hispanics who call themselves 'Spanish' while people of Mexican descent call themselves 'Mexican'.

Maybe it is different in Pennsylvania.

Also, maybe I am just hanging out with all the wrong people, but I have never come across people in America who are unaware that Spain is in Europe. I mean doesn't every American school child learn about the Age of Exploration, Columbus discovering America from a Spanish port, and Spanish colonialism in the New World? How can the Spanish crown support the exploration of America from America?

[victus]

Originally Posted by cloxias

The Balkans may have been the poorest region one time but not anymore than Spain, Portugal or Greece which are now worse of than the Balkans in the situation, you would be silly to not except it.

Event in current situation, Balkans are much more poorer than Iberia, sorry, that's a fact

Originally Posted by cloxias

The mainland Italy has more chance of being less corrupt atleast compared to Iberia which is now become much more, unfortunately for you haha.

It may has the chance, but that doesn't change reality. Italy is the most corrupt country in western Europe, much more than Iberian countries. It is even more corrupt than most of Latin America, and at the same level than African countries. It is to be ashamed. Sorry
Iberia is at the same level as France or Belgium, sorry for you

Originally Posted by cloxias

There just as much in relation between history and tradition as well as being modern and more advanced.

Great, but Italy is still more traditional, religious and more conservative than Iberia. Sorry

Originally Posted by cloxias

I just being honest frankly Italy does attract a lot more tourists than Spain due to it's history and culture which is as great and diverse as France, while Spain is not as diverse and more limited I am afraid to say.

You are being honest and you are afraid, but you are wrong. Spain attracts 20 millions more tourist than Italy. That is the reality

Originally Posted by cloxias

Italy is irrelevant in protests and what I say is just not what you want to hear.

Or maybe the truth hurts you, sorry
Protesters in Italy have even put a bomb

Originally Posted by cloxias

Charts or not, it is your downfall if you want to lie and pretend that unemployment does not exist in Spain or Portugal, smells more like denial to me than honesty.

Did I pretend that?
Portugal has almost the same unemployment than Italy.

Originally Posted by GloriaEstefan

The Balkans (some countries at least) may be poorer at the moment but they are on the rise. You really can't say the same about the Iberian countries.

That would be good for Iberians, the violent and criminal Balkans will cease to emigrate there. We should be happy about them, it's was a shame for the whole Europe have that poor, violent and corrupt place on the continent.

Anyway, Italy standars of living and economy are also on declining, and the rise of the Balkan countries is being quite slowly. Maybe in 20 years could reach Iberia.

[cloxias]

Originally Posted by victus

Event in current situation, Balkans are much more poorer than Iberia, sorry, that's a fact


It may has the chance, but that doesn't change reality. Italy is the most corrupt country in western Europe, much more than Iberian countries. It is even more corrupt than most of Latin America, and at the same level than African countries. It is to be ashamed. Sorry
Iberia is at the same level as France or Belgium, sorry for you


Great, but Italy is still more traditional, religious and more conservative than Iberia. Sorry


You are being honest and you are afraid, but you are wrong. Spain attracts 20 millions more tourist than Italy. That is the reality


Or maybe the truth hurts you, sorry
Protesters in Italy have even put a bomb


Did I pretend that?
Portugal has almost the same unemployment than Italy.

PD: I am really sorry for you that you were banned on AnthroScape, but at the same time I'm quitte happy that your skills in english are improving, it was an embarrassment to the British education system that an Englishman like you were writting so badly in English.


That would be good for Iberians, the violent and criminal Balkans will cease to emigrate there. We should be happy about them, it's was a shame for the whole Europe have that poor, violent and corrupt place on the continent.

Anyway, Italy standars of living and economy are also on declining, and the rise of the Balkan countries is being quite slowly. Maybe in 20 years could reach Iberia.

The Balkans are actually getting slowly better than what is happening in Spain.

Iberia is more like Greece and Latin American in corruptness than mainland Italy which ever reach, Iberia like Greece is as corrupt as the Maghreb and the Near East even too.

Iberia more traditional and rigid and Italy more modern and quite flexible.

Balkanites are still developing while rising and are much less corrupt than Iberians and Greeks too.

Italy's standard of living is still much better no matter how it is going than how Iberia is going.

The Balkans has still a good chance as much as Germany has already got.

[victus]

Originally Posted by cloxias

The Balkans are actually getting slowly better than what is happening in Spain.

LOL
I know truth hurt, but even with the current situation, Iberia is in a better situation than the Balkans, Iberians standars of living are much more higher than the ones of the Balkans


Mainland Italy is the most corrupted region in Western Europe, much more than Iberia, Iberians are not even near that levels. Italy is at the same level than African countries
Transparency International - Country Profiles


Anyway, what matters is the present, Italy is a conservative and traditional country that is still related with Catholicism. Iberia is much more liberal, modern and less religious. Sorry

Originally Posted by cloxias

Balkanites are still developing while rising and are much less corrupt than Iberians and Greeks too.

LOL, Sorry but no Balkan countries are really corrupt and violent.

Originally Posted by cloxias

Italy's standard of living is still much better no matter how it is going than how Iberia is going.

Wrong. Northern and Central Italy's standard of living is slightly better (not much), Iberia's standard of living is slightly higher than Southern Italy. Sorry, it's a fact

Originally Posted by cloxias

The Balkans has still a good chance as much as Germany has already got.

LOL
Yes, keep dreaming

[GloriaEstefan]

I don't know why you Victus keep bringing up other nations when the topic is about the way Iberians are seen abroad. Be careful or you may end up sounding like someone with a deep-rooted complex (which I know you are not).

[GloriaEstefan]

Originally Posted by victus

Iberia is much more liberal, modern and less religious. Sorry

Iberia (whatever country it is) is not modern nor liberal. Unless you equate gay marriage and modernity.

[victus]

Originally Posted by GloriaEstefan

I don't know why you Victus keep bringing up other nations when the topic is about the way Iberians are seen abroad. Be careful or you may end up sounding like someone with a deep-rooted complex (which I know you are not).

It was not me who has brought on other countries to the topic, it was Cloxias.
By the way, If you think there are Iberians that may have a rooted complex to other European countries apart of France, Germany or Sweeden you don't know Iberians that well.

Originally Posted by GloriaEstefan

Iberia (whatever country it is) is not modern nor liberal. Unless you equate gay marriage and modernity.

It's not only gay marriage but women equality, inmigrants integration, drugs legislation or importance of religion in society. And yes, Portugal is a liberal country.
And I didn't say Iberia is modern nor liberal, I said it is compared to other southern Europeans countries.

[GloriaEstefan]

Originally Posted by victus

By the way, If you think there are Iberians that may have a rooted complex to other European countries apart of France, Germany or Sweeden you don't know Iberians that well.

What a sad thing to say! Just because the natives of those countries see *some* Iberians as fundamentally non-whites it doesn't mean that you should feel a complex to them.

[Elkai]

Originally Posted by GloriaEstefan

What a sad thing to say! Just because the natives of those countries see *some* Iberians as fundamentally non-whites it doesn't mean that you should feel a complex to them.

Actually some Spaniards have somewhat a SUPERIORITY complex to those countries. We have a healthy skin tone and are not pale like ghosts. In fact, another nickname for Northern/Central/Eastern European tourists in summer is "Langosta" (Lobster) because of their awkward skin tone after sun exposure, as we know that north of Pyrenees, the Alps and the Balkans there is no sun.

I'm a Spaniard and as such, I'm blessed with skin tone to cope with real sun for many hours.

And everyone in Europe is white except immigrants from other parts of the world. No one in Sweden, Germany, France or the UK thinks Spanish are not white, except far-right politicians/supporters, uneducated people and bad trolls on the Internet.

[victus]

Originally Posted by GloriaEstefan

What a sad thing to say! Just because the natives of those countries see *some* Iberians as fundamentally non-whites it doesn't mean that you should feel a complex to them.

Who spoke about races and being white? It's all about economics and society.

Don't be afraid about Iberians complexes regarding the look and being seen as non-white since in Iberia being tan is synonymous of beautiful and being white of sick, and they have the stereotype that northern europeans are ugly. So they must be really happy of not being considered part of the same race.