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Old 07-19-2016, 07:11 PM
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Just found this map:
They must be counting repatriated ethnic Portuguese colonials at (7.9%) for Portugal. I doubt the non-ethnic Portuguese population is greater than 4% with approx. 30% Europeans, 30%, Brazilians, 30% Africans, 10% all others.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Freiburg
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What are those two countries with highest percentage of foreign-born?
Switzerland and Austria?
What's THEIR story?
Mostly immigrants from Germany according to these maps.




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They must be counting repatriated ethnic Portuguese colonials at (7.9%) for Portugal. I doubt the non-ethnic Portuguese population is greater than 4% with approx. 30% Europeans, 30%, Brazilians, 30% Africans, 10% all others.
Here's the source.
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Old 07-19-2016, 08:07 PM
 
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Just wow.
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Old 07-19-2016, 09:29 PM
 
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Mostly immigrants from Germany according to these maps.






Here's the source.
This map may be skewed due to geopolitical changes but it makes a lot of sense in deconstructing immigration stereotypes. It's interesting to see that most of foreign born populations do not come from obscure faraway lands but usually from neighboring or friendly countries. Germans and Russians emigrate a lot themselves, seems like Croatia and Bosnia are exchanging their population.
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Old 07-19-2016, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Finland
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This map may be skewed due to geopolitical changes but it makes a lot of sense in deconstructing immigration stereotypes. It's interesting to see that most of foreign born populations do not come from obscure faraway lands but usually from neighboring or friendly countries. Germans and Russians emigrate a lot themselves, seems like Croatia and Bosnia are exchanging their population.
Yeah. Not most immigrants are from some obscure evil terrorist black countries.

Bosnia is a special case, as it has three native ethnicities: Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs.

Here's finally the change in number of immigrants:



https://jakubmarian.com/immigration-...of-immigrants/
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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What are those two countries with highest percentage of foreign-born?
Switzerland and Austria?
What's THEIR story?
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Originally Posted by statistik.at
Germany: 176.463
Serbia: 116.626
Turkey: 116.026
Bosnia: 93.973
Romania: 82.949
Croatia: 70.248
Hungary: 63.550
Poland: 57.589
Afghanistan: 35.618
Slovakia: 35.326
Syria: 33.313
Russia: 31.190
Italy: 25.327
Kosovo: 23.386
Bulgaria: 22.411
Macedonia: 21.723
What happened? Long story short: German students, guest workers from former Yugoslavia, guest workers from Turkey, the Balkan Wars, multiple wars in the Middle East, Chechen War and immigrants from our Eastern neighbors.

That said, the numbers are slightly off. Germans and other long-standing EU citizens tend to keep their passports, all the others usually go for an Austrian passport the minute they qualify for it. That's why I would say that Turks and Serbians outnumber Germans by far.

Also, the numbers are from 1.1.2016, so they might have changed quite a bit.
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Old 07-20-2016, 03:21 AM
 
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For many, Europe is becoming a really diverse place! Here in INED Research we have concluded by 2030 many countries will drop greatly in European percentage ....

Countries By European or White Percentage 2010
Austria: ~91.7%
Belgium: ~89.5%
Denmark: 94.8%
France: ~86.4%
Germany: 89.6%
Ireland: 94.8%
Italy: 97.1%
Netherlands: 84.6%
Norway: 92.5%
Poland: 99.5%
Portugal: 98.9%
Spain: 93.8%
Sweden: ~89.4%
Switzerland: ~92.0%
United Kingdom: 87.1%


Countries By European Percentage 2030
Austria: ~85.2%
Belgium: ~82.7%
Denmark: 91.9%
France: ~81.6%
Germany: 85.4%
Ireland: 91.5%
Italy: 92.8%
Netherlands: 79.6%
Norway: 87.6%
Poland: 99.4%
Portugal: 96.5%
Spain: 93.7%
Sweden: ~74.0%
Switzerland: ~87.0%
United Kingdom: 78.9%


This is a demographic change that will change Europe's cultural landscape
We already see some European cities almost at half European origin, like Rotterdam (53%), The Hague (56%), and London (59%).
And some more down the line, Brussels (63%), Paris (65%), Malmo (69%), Amsterdam (68%), Stockholm (71%), and a few English cities ranging from 55% to 80% White like Manchester, Slough, Birmingham, and Luton.

Other countries like USA will drop from 63% European to 55% European, Canada from 76% to 65% and Australia from 81% to 66% in the same time frame ... New Zealand will drop from 72% to 65% European.
If we want to be righteous, a Mexican with native indigenous roots has far more right to be in the US than a descendant of early 20th century European migrants whose ancestors entered America thru Ellis Island!

Either way, Europe has been diverse throughout its existence!

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Old 07-20-2016, 03:26 AM
 
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The Philippines and Brazil are culturally more European than the US, really?
What is so European about the US?

They have nice clean suburbs with green yards without any public transportation, huge highways filled with advertisement and enormous giant chain stores. (That doesn't sound exactly like the epitome of European things!)

European culture does not exist, Europe is comprised of hundredths of cultures, ethnic groups, etc. Plus White Americans are NOT the owners of the US, they were born there because their ancestors left Europe escaping poverty, misery, overcrowded conditions, war.

A person with native indigenous blood is far more from the Americas including the US and Canada, than any white european descendant whose ancestors got there 100 years ago!
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Old 07-20-2016, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in Southern Italy
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nobody in europe uses the concept white, its only a concept used in anglosphere.... you will never hear in france, the netherlands or germany people refering to a girl as "the white girl", they would rather use the french, dutch o german girl, and on a broader sense european girl. The concept of white is alien to modern european culture , maybe with the exception of UK who uses "white british" in the census.
PEople won't understand it here. News never say a "black man" or an "Asian man" but they always specify his nationality saying an "Ivorian man" or a "Vietnamese man". This distinction based on skin colour isn't as much "in your face" as it is in the Anglosphere where it's institutionalized

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Yeah. Not most immigrants are from some obscure evil terrorist black countries.

Bosnia is a special case, as it has three native ethnicities: Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs.

Here's finally the change in number of immigrants:



https://jakubmarian.com/immigration-...of-immigrants/
Italy's and Spain's numbers have decreased as there has been a fairly large number of naturalizations. It's interesting to see the rise in Nordic Countries or the first countries on the Balkan route (Austria, Hungary). Lastly, people don't realize how many Syrian immigrants Turkey has actually accepted in the past years. I partly have informed myself about the Turkish coup on a Turkish English speaking website and it seems that one of the main points of the opposition against Erdogan is immigration laws
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:21 AM
 
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Foreign born population can't decrease with naturalization (don't confuse with foreign citizens).
The only way a foreign born population can decrease is if those people leave the country or die.
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