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Old 02-16-2014, 06:01 PM
 
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Australia and Canada were built by Europeans. Those countries should always be white majority.

American can become white minority for all i care.


Australians can give their land back to the Aborigines for all I care.

Edit: for all anybody cares really..I mean no one thinks about Australia in general. The forgotten continent.
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Old 02-16-2014, 06:59 PM
 
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United States is an interesting case.

Prior to changes in immigration laws (1960's) via late senator Kennedy's bills to promote "diversity" and "family unification", a good percentage of immigration (legal) was from Europe. The 1960's changes to US immigration shifted that focus to Latin America and Asia among other countries and almost by itself put an end to *massive* white/European immigration to USA.

Fast forward a few decades of weak enforcement of immigration laws, rampant illegal immigration from Mexico, South America and Asian countries, coupled with low white/European American birth rates means the latter is now facing becoming the minority race in the USA.
You've forgotten about MASSIVE immigration from Russia and Eastern Europe after the Iron Curtain fell. It's still going on. It helps balance things out, no doubt about it.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:05 PM
 
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You've forgotten about MASSIVE immigration from Russia and Eastern Europe after the Iron Curtain fell. It's still going on. It helps balance things out, no doubt about it.
Russian/Eastern European immigrants to the USA tend to get a very bad rap. It does not help that many are caught in various schemes to defraud our federal and state social service schemes (Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, etc...). IIRC there are sections of NYC with large Russian/Eastern European populations that have the highest number of physicians, nurses and other healthcare professionals/facilities that have been struck off for fraud.

Some say this grows out of the various systems these persons used to cope under the regimes of their former countries. What is seen as fraud or criminal here in the USA is simply a way of getting on in Russia/Eastern Europe.

As for the balance of your query; no not that much nor in the way you would imagine: Russian Diaspora in the US:
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:12 PM
 
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It's not just Russians. Romanians, Bulgarians, Polish, ex-Yugoslavs.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:23 PM
 
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As for the balance of your query; no not that much nor in the way you would imagine: Russian Diaspora in the US:
It wasn't a query, it was a statement. I don't understand the point of the article you linked. It doesn't seem to relate to your comment, "not that much nor in a way you would imagine". And btw, I don't need the history lecture. I'm the product of a Russian emigre community, myself. That professor left out Seattle; it had a solid Russian community from the WWII period that BOOMED after 1991.

And it's not just Russians. It's Romanians, Bulgarians, Poles, ex-Yugoslavs, Ukrainians, and people from the Caucasus. US embassies have been handing out immigrant visas like candies.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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It's not just Russians. Romanians, Bulgarians, Polish, ex-Yugoslavs.

Don't know about the Polish. Everything one has read or heard about them says they are very hard working persons and just want to come to the USA for same reasons as everyone else.

Besides it is very difficult for Polish persons to immigrate to the USA. They aren't even allowed to travel here on 90 day tourist visas like say France or UK. Instead they must go through a long and expensive formal visa procedure. Large Polish-American populations such as in the Chicago or Mid-West areas have been fighting for years to change the laws, but so far nothing.
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Old 02-17-2014, 05:37 AM
 
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Problems with various European countries becoming less "white" is not strictly the results of immigration alone, though in many places it is a huge part of things.

The other shoe is that European (white) women simply are not interested in having large families or in some cases children at all. When a race starts dipping below the replacement rate (2 children for every couple that produces) sooner or later without outside assistance (immigration or whatever) the population will collapse.

France had a declining birth rate beginning in the years after WWI and has managed to stabilize and report some growth on that front recently. This has come about via various programs and schemes for women, mothers, children etc.., but guess what? IIRC the most recent numbers show a good part of the recent increase in that country's birth rates are coming from "immigrant" populations, not native "white" French.
Good post, but in the case of France it's a bit different. Ironically, the highest birthrates there are regions with relatively few immigrants such as Brittany, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Picardy etc. so there also have to be plenty of "white" French people who like to have children. Also, many French-born "coloured" citizens now have the same birth rates like the majority population...

Germany is also a different pair of shoes. Most of the immigration (like 70%) is European and the non-European population has a way lower fertility rate than in France, the Uk or Benelux. "German Turks" or "German Africans" have less children statistically speaking than the "white French" or the "white British". For instance, the estimated fertility rates are 1.2 for ethnic Germans and about 1.6 for all immigrants, hence, even the Turkish community will shrink or "die off" eventually despite the claims of Thilo Sarrazin but obviously much slower than the rapid decreasing German population. About 35% of children have a migrant background, but of those about 20% are of a European origin. So, in an American context ("Caucasians are a homogenous bulk of people") the population structure possibly won't change much here like in other Western nations, except some dumb future government opens the border for non-EU global mass immigration.
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Old 02-17-2014, 10:29 AM
 
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You've forgotten about MASSIVE immigration from Russia and Eastern Europe after the Iron Curtain fell. It's still going on. It helps balance things out, no doubt about it.
It might "balance things out" for USA may be, but not for the overall picture.
Because while Russians are migrating in droves, their "white" population has not been replenished in their own country - it's definitely shrinking.
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Old 02-17-2014, 10:41 AM
 
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Good post, but in the case of France it's a bit different. Ironically, the highest birthrates there are regions with relatively few immigrants such as Brittany, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Picardy etc. so there also have to be plenty of "white" French people who like to have children. Also, many French-born "coloured" citizens now have the same birth rates like the majority population...

Germany is also a different pair of shoes. Most of the immigration (like 70%) is European and the non-European population has a way lower fertility rate than in France, the Uk or Benelux. "German Turks" or "German Africans" have less children statistically speaking than the "white French" or the "white British". For instance, the estimated fertility rates are 1.2 for ethnic Germans and about 1.6 for all immigrants, hence, even the Turkish community will shrink or "die off" eventually despite the claims of Thilo Sarrazin but obviously much slower than the rapid decreasing German population. About 35% of children have a migrant background, but of those about 20% are of a European origin. So, in an American context ("Caucasians are a homogenous bulk of people") the population structure possibly won't change much here like in other Western nations, except some dumb future government opens the border for non-EU global mass immigration.
If what you are saying is true, then I'd point out at one more factor, why population of European origin is most likely shrinking, be that Europe or the US. The economies of these countries dictate a high price tag for having children I think. So people are waiting till they are "financially stable" to have children, and that means that "spontaneous" pregnancies ( that often happen at younger age) are avoided, and child bearing age is postponed, which means fewer children down the line for a number of reasons. That probably explains why even Turkish community put in these circumstances is shrinking.
I've noticed one thing, that when Soviet economy ( the way it functioned) was supporting ( and even encouraging) child-birth at younger age - as young as barely out of school, the demographics there were more or less steady, but as soon as "financial stability" became an issue, the birth rate there plunged dramatically.

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Old 02-17-2014, 12:18 PM
 
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You've forgotten about MASSIVE immigration from Russia and Eastern Europe after the Iron Curtain fell. It's still going on. It helps balance things out, no doubt about it.
A significant portion of them returned to Europe. The ones that still immigrate to the USA in order to attend foreign Universities, most of them end up returning to Europe.

Creation of the European Union eliminated any remaining reasons for Europeans to immigrate to the USA

For the most part, Whites stopped immigrating to the USA in the early 2000's.
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