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Old 10-22-2016, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Ari. If you had any knowledge of naval engineering or naval ops you would see just how ignorant your statement is. You so silly.

I'm surprised they're doing this at all. They will most likely park the ship and leave it in Syria.Its 20 years old and nearing the end of its useful life on the sea. It's got a few years left though and can still be useful in this conflict.
I totally agree. Jets on this ship can not fly with full ammo, but nevertheless it will a serious strengthening of Russian military grouping.
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Old 10-22-2016, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Peter the Great is a normal ship. Kuznetsov is of course an old shoe. Good article about it (in Russian).
It's 20 years old and essentially was totally neglected even unfinished in the 90's, and it's the only of four Kirov-class battlecruisers in service. The two decommissioned ones are such in a bad condition that they cannot be taken back in use. Sure it has impressive armament, but I wouldn't sail on Pyotr Velikiy.
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Old 10-22-2016, 01:53 PM
 
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Read Wiki. Or even the school textbook of history. For the information the 'Okraina' as a word concerned a part of territory of Don land (present Kuban).
I don't wont read your school textbook of history and your wiki. Zaliznyak mentions the word Ukraine in one of his lectures:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkvUb27xh5Y

And in Ipatiev Chronicle is not the state of Ukraine, but the area "ukraine". A state near the State.

Last edited by Maksim_Frolov; 10-22-2016 at 02:11 PM.. Reason: changed article
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Old 10-22-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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It's 20 years old and essentially was totally neglected even unfinished in the 90's, and it's the only of four Kirov-class battlecruisers in service. The two decommissioned ones are such in a bad condition that they cannot be taken back in use. Sure it has impressive armament, but I wouldn't sail on Pyotr Velikiy.
Once again you are in your illusory world. Be careful.
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Old 10-22-2016, 02:16 PM
 
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Once again you are in your illusory world. Be careful.
How so? It's true. Admiral Lazarev and Admiral Ushakov cannot safely be put back to service. Admiral Nakhimov is being currently refitted.

Kuznetsov is such in a bad condition because it was neglected for long after the fall of the Soviet Union. 25 years is not that old for a carrier, but if you never repair or service it, of course it will get in a bad condition!
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Old 10-22-2016, 02:33 PM
 
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How so? It's true. Admiral Lazarev and Admiral Ushakov cannot safely be put back to service. Admiral Nakhimov is being currently refitted.
If you want to think that Peter the Great is a bad old ship - think so. Misconceptions of "enemies" - it's a great success.
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Old 10-22-2016, 02:35 PM
 
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If you want to think that Peter the Great is a bad old ship - think so. Misconceptions of "enemies" - it's a great success.
It's not a bad ship, it's still powerful, but it's also in a very bad condition. Like a Fiat from 1986 would be without constant management.
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Old 10-22-2016, 02:46 PM
 
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I don't wont read your school textbook of history and your wiki. Zaliznyak mentions the word Ukraine in one of his lectures:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkvUb27xh5Y

And in Ipatiev Chronicle is not the state of Ukraine, but the area "ukraine". A state near the State.
+from comments in youtube (sorry, I can not translate, it's complicated):
"Чудак-человек. Ты так еще страну Узаборию открой в Ипатьевской Летописи. Достаточно часто в старых документах встречается, что "у забора" там что-то князь делал. Как я понимаю, что раз успешно когда князь "у края" делал что-то, то это достаточно для введения Украины, то нет проблем ввести также страну Узаборию? Чтобы получить страну нужно наааамного больше. К примеру, Белая Русь в отличии от укрАины совсем не выдуманная область и встречается в латинских источниках как Alba Russia. Однако это всего лишь географическая область, а не страна с народом. Народ появляется с ОСОЗНАНИЯ народа, что он народ. Вы несете такой феерический свидомый бред, что оказывается можно быть украинцем, не понимая что ты украинец и подписывая тексты как "люди русские". Впервые украинцами подпишутся писатели только в XVIII веке. Второй фактор для народа это СОБСТВЕННЫЙ ЯЗЫК. До XVIII века язык белоруссов и украинцев был ОБЩИЙ, еще раз тупица - ОБЩАЯ РУСКА МОВА. Отличие староукранский и старобелорусских диалектов весьма незначительно на уровне фонем (акание и цокание). Историческая правда ужастная для украинских и белорусских националистов том, что до XVIII века они представляли единый народ еще не распавшись на две нации. А второй ужас националистов, что эти люди из Литовской Руси называли себя "русскими". Вот это действительно в всех документах на несколько веков. Во ВСЕХ, сынку."(c)
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Old 10-22-2016, 02:53 PM
 
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It's not a bad ship, it's still powerful, but it's also in a very bad condition. Like a Fiat from 1986 would be without constant management.
In 2013, Peter the Great passed the more than 4,000 miles in the harsh Arctic climate.
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Old 10-22-2016, 04:00 PM
 
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In 2013, Peter the Great passed the more than 4,000 miles in the harsh Arctic climate.
The Finnish minelayer Pohjanmaa sailed to Somalia to fight the pirates and back, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't a worn out old ship which was scrapped 2 years later, and such in a poor condition that not even Croatia wanted to buy it. And they use to buy a lot of old crap we sell.
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