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Old 10-20-2016, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Finland
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What is this "ahem" Ariete?
All these "ethnic maps" that you are trying to present here were null and void by the map I've posted above, because it's not exactly the "ethnicity" that divide Eastern and Western provinces of Ukraine, but history and culture.
Since Russia is born of Kiev, the transitional area from "the fringes" of the Russian Empire ( i.e. that's what "Ukraine" means) to the "Russia proper" lies through the Eastern part of the (now) country.
(And it doesn't "magically" stop somehow at the "demarcation line," that 's why Kuban' ( the Southern part of Russia) is as "Eastern Ukrainian" as it's "Southern Russian.")
The transitional area to Poland ( and the domain of Catholic culture/church) lies through the Western provinces of Ukraine. And then you have everything in-between in Central areas of Ukraine.
But it's all Ukraine now, Crimea included.
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Old 10-20-2016, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Russia
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But it's all Ukraine now, Crimea included.
Be realistic. When you go into the virtual world, you take wrong decisions.
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Old 10-20-2016, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Russia
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I found a great video! Satanovskiy and Posner. (Russian language only, sorry).

https://youtu.be/oVoPG6lx6Lk
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Old 10-20-2016, 01:56 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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On the subject of east/west Ukraine, let's see what a couple of east Ukrainian metal bands (both from Kharkiv) have to say


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ZzqWhvOVA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LZL98ZFz6g
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Old 10-20-2016, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Not in Russia, but certainly of Russian descent:

1,500-Year-Old Mummy Appears To Be Wearing Adidas Trainers | IFLScience
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Old 10-20-2016, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Europe
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, BUT FEDERALIZED, keeping in mind the economic needs of Eastern, industrial part of Ukraine that was connected to Russia?
In Ukraine, instead of federalization introduced decentralization. When most of the money remains in the regions where registered taxpayers. The question about federalization removed.
Currently occupied territories have a miserable existence. In economic terms it is a complete failure.
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Old 10-20-2016, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Ahem...
Something this map doesn't take into account is that Ukrainian language isn't a uniform language, it has a lot of dialects, and many of them are actually better described as hybrid languages. For instance I can understand a Ukrainian person from the eastern regions fairly well, but Ukrainians from the central and western parts I can barely understand. The dialect spoken in the east is very similar to Russian, and also Russian spoken in the south has some similarities to Ukrainian. One of those east Ukrainian dialects is called surzhyk which is spoken by verka serduchka (the Ukrainian drag queen in Eurovision) The Slavic languages don't have concrete boarders, it's very fluid and transitional. If you go from Rostov on Don and then go to Donetsk, you won't notice much difference in language or culture. The only difference is that Donetsk is in ruins.
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Old 10-20-2016, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Russia
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On the subject of east/west Ukraine, let's see what a couple of east Ukrainian metal bands (both from Kharkiv) have to say
A lot of bands of this genre exist In Russia.

For example:
https://www.city-data.com/forum/42593264-post422.html
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Old 10-21-2016, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Good article. I think that this media is not popular in Britain?

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A month or so back I spoke to a chap who worked on behalf of the refugees in those two benighted countries and was certainly no friend of the Assad regime. What would be the best scenario now, I asked him? ‘That Russia and Assad win as quickly as possible. That would minimise the number of civilians killed.’ But we are doing what we can to prevent that outcome, thus prolonging the war.
Stop this stupid sabre-rattling against Russia
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Old 10-22-2016, 05:23 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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ROFL

It was embarrasing watching that Russian Aircraft Carrier yesterday, the whole of the English Channel was covered in smoke, I am just glad it didn't breakdown.

If it has any problems on the way back, I have some jump leads in the back of the car.

Belching smoke through the Channel, Russian aircraft carrier so unreliable it sails with its own breakdown tug - Telegraph

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