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Er... Not exactly.
"If you are in good health and getting wealthy from your labor, that's the sign of blessing from God" - that kind of thing.
Again - not exactly.
THIS actually would be Russians at the worst end of stick. As in "rob your serf, take the last shirt off his back" and "live your life as lavishly as you can."
That October Socialist Revolution didn't come out of nowhere in Russia out of all places.
The Anglos have more self-restiction and self-control in this respect, when it comes to treatment of their own kin.
But not the Russians. That's when it comes to the nitty-gritty of it.
So don't get me started here Kanonka.
It's a very deceptive feeling - that "greatness of the Russian soul" comparably to the "damn Westerners."
Only PART of it is true.
But then there is another part, the dark side of it and that wonderful Russian Orthodoxy ( yes-yes, I am talking about the Russian Orthodox Church including, and its utter hypocrisy - no, bunch of pharisees is a better word for it. That's if we've got into the subject of Church (Protestantism in your case.)
Not Nazism, not true.
Nazism is a totally different animal all together.
You are comparing the "worst end of stick" to a standard, average WASP, concluding they are the same - this just proves what I said. Even more to it: for some strange coincident the "worst end of stick" Russians took WASP for an example (yeap, if we are talking about reasons for the October Revolution, keep in mind that basically every aristocrat by that time admired West, i.e. those "worst end of stick" were literally mimicking WASP).
We can take the religion aspect too, but there is just NO other religion (Catholics, Orthodox, Buddhists, even Muslims) that literally say "if you are rich, God loves you". Literally. Again, the way you quoted was just the beginning, and lasted only few decades. Then it turned truly opposite.
"The Anglos have more self-restiction and self-control in this respect, when it comes to treatment of their own kin" - tell that to all those who lost their lives when Enclosure started, or turned to outright beggars. There were literally millions. Not to mention hundreds of millions in other countries when Brits started practicing genocides outside of their evil country.
Russians, as well as other nations, can be great or not, but WASP are always "damn". Always. No exceptions.
You are comparing the "worst end of stick" to a standard, average WASP, concluding they are the same - this just proves what I said.
Even more to it: for some strange coincident the "worst end of stick" Russians took WASP for an example (yeap, if we are talking about reasons for the October Revolution, keep in mind that basically every aristocrat by that time admired West, i.e. those "worst end of stick" were literally mimicking WASP).
So you are talking about the White Americans in this case.
They have no relation to the Russian aristocracy - none whatsoever.
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We can take the religion aspect too, but there is just NO other religion (Catholics, Orthodox, Buddhists, even Muslims) that literally say "if you are rich, God loves you". Literally. Again, the way you quoted was just the beginning, and lasted only few decades. Then it turned truly opposite.
Have no idea what you are talking about.
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"The Anglos have more self-restiction and self-control in this respect, when it comes to treatment of their own kin" - tell that to all those who lost their lives when Enclosure started, or turned to outright beggars. There were literally millions. Not to mention hundreds of millions in other countries when Brits started practicing genocides outside of their evil country."
This is medieval Europe Kanonka.
Medieval times.
Since then, they progressed a lot.
But in Russia you don't have to go further back but the 90ies.
Russians never learn.
Same unstoppable greed, where they were ready to step over dead bodies, over anything, ruining the country in the process, in order to get rich quick.
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Russians, as well as other nations, can be great or not, but WASP are always "damn". Always. No exceptions.
"Wasp" are White Americans, as I've said.
So speaking of "other nations that can be great or not," where do you place these mysterious "Wasps" - Great Britain, US, Canada? - what land exactly do they live in (in your imagination), because - interestingly enough, they ended up in charge of the Universe pretty much, even if temporarily so.
So you are talking about the White Americans in this case.
They have no relation to the Russian aristocracy - none whatsoever.
Have no idea what you are talking about.
This is medieval Europe Kanonka.
Medieval times.
Since then, they progressed a lot.
But in Russia you don't have to go further back but the 90ies.
Russians never learn.
Same unstoppable greed, where they were ready to step over dead bodies, over anything, ruining the country in the process, in order to get rich quick.
"Wasp" are White Americans, as I've said.
So speaking of "other nations that can be great or not," where do you place these mysterious "Wasps" - Great Britain, US, Canada? - what land exactly do they live in (in your imagination), because - interestingly enough, they ended up in charge of the Universe pretty much, even if temporarily so.
So speaking about God and his wishes...
I use Brit and WASP as synonyms. Americans are no longer "Anglo-Saxon".
As for "Medieval times. Since then, they progressed a lot. " - not. Their culture didn't progress a single step. They are same thieves, robbers and murderers as then.
Oh, just a very, very recent example.
After UK literally stole Venezuela's gold, I thought leaders of other countries took a note, and not going to keep their assets in the UK. Boy, I was wrong - global elites don't learn. When few days ago was an attempt of a color revolution in the Kazakhstan, UK mentioned that they are going to steal guess what? Right, the gold that Kazakhstan keeps in UK. It's not much, just $600mln, but still - British "gentlemen" just can't stop themselves from stealing. So, what did you say, they "progressed a lot"?
So you are talking about the White Americans in this case.
They have no relation to the Russian aristocracy - none whatsoever.
Have no idea what you are talking about.
This is medieval Europe Kanonka.
Medieval times.
Since then, they progressed a lot.
But in Russia you don't have to go further back but the 90ies.
Russians never learn.
Same unstoppable greed, where they were ready to step over dead bodies, over anything, ruining the country in the process, in order to get rich quick.
"Wasp" are White Americans, as I've said.
So speaking of "other nations that can be great or not," where do you place these mysterious "Wasps" - Great Britain, US, Canada? - what land exactly do they live in (in your imagination), because - interestingly enough, they ended up in charge of the Universe pretty much, even if temporarily so.
So speaking about God and his wishes...
I use Brit and WASP as synonyms. Americans are no longer "Anglo-Saxon".
As for "Medieval times. Since then, they progressed a lot. " - not. Their culture didn't progress a single step. They are same thieves, robbers and murderers as then.
Oh, just a very, very recent example.
After UK literally stole Venezuela's gold, I thought leaders of other countries took a note, and not going to keep their assets in the UK. Boy, I was wrong - global elites don't learn. When few days ago was an attempt of a color revolution in the Kazakhstan, UK mentioned that they are going to steal guess what? Right, the gold that Kazakhstan keeps in UK. It's not much, just $600mln, but still - British "gentlemen" just can't stop themselves from stealing. So, what did you say, they "progressed a lot"?
As for "Same unstoppable greed, where they were ready to step over dead bodies, over anything, ruining the country in the process, in order to get rich quick." - you obviously didn't understand what I said. In Russia those people are viewed as criminals - at least by society, and such behavior is condemned. In Britain very same behavior is worshipped. Those criminals in Britain call themselves lords and are a ruling class. See the difference?
I use Brit and WASP as synonyms. Americans are no longer "Anglo-Saxon".
As for "Medieval times. Since then, they progressed a lot. " - not. Their culture didn't progress a single step. They are same thieves, robbers and murderers as then.
Oh, just a very, very recent example. After UK literally stole Venezuela's gold, I thought leaders of other countries took a note, and not going to keep their assets in the UK. Boy, I was wrong - global elites don't learn. When few days ago was an attempt of a color revolution in the Kazakhstan, UK mentioned that they are going to steal guess what? Right, the gold that Kazakhstan keeps in UK. It's not much, just $600mln, but still - British "gentlemen" just can't stop themselves from stealing. So, what did you say, they "progressed a lot"?
As for "Same unstoppable greed, where they were ready to step over dead bodies, over anything, ruining the country in the process, in order to get rich quick." - you obviously didn't understand what I said. In Russia those people are viewed as criminals - at least by society, and such behavior is condemned. In Britain very same behavior is worshipped. Those criminals in Britain call themselves lords and are a ruling class. See the difference?
Never understood why these countries continue to store gold reserves in the UK either. The moment you do something they don't agree with, they literally steal it. There has got to be other alternatives.
Never understood why these countries continue to store gold reserves in the UK either. The moment you do something they don't agree with, they literally steal it. There has got to be other alternatives.
It's not "these countries."
It's specifically the people in the governments that do that ( placing their loot in UK real estate including.)
It's their belief that they belong to the "upscale power of this world," that NOW they "belong" somehow.
But guess what - it's not the "evil Brits" that twist their arm, it's these people that run with their "offerings" to the "master," (that Kanonka hates so much,) robbing their population dry in the process.
Not necessarily. Many countries store their gold in other countries. Germany used to store its gold in the US, but recently they "evacuated" it to Germany if I remember correctly. Germans don't trust the US anymore.
Also, it is not only gold that the West steals, it also steals bank accounts and entire companies such as the state-run oil company in Venezuela.
Not necessarily. Many countries store their gold in other countries. Germany used to store its gold in the US, but recently they "evacuated" it to Germany if I remember correctly. Germans don't trust the US anymore.
Also, it is not only gold that the West steals, it also steals bank accounts and entire companies such as the state-run oil company in Venezuela.
As far as I have heard, Germany has not received anything. The American gentlemen said, "There's no need for you to take your gold. Let it lie with us, so it will be safer."
Not necessarily. Many countries store their gold in other countries. Germany used to store its gold in the US, but recently they "evacuated" it to Germany if I remember correctly. Germans don't trust the US anymore.
Also, it is not only gold that the West steals, it also steals bank accounts and entire companies such as the state-run oil company in Venezuela.
Neuling, Germany is in different position all together - they are the potential competitor, not some country dependent on the extraction of the natural resources.
And that's why Germany is threatened to be hit with sanctions in the case of NS 2, which goes against America's geopolitical interests. It's a knot.
But now - back to Kazakhstan, which IS a country dependent on extraction of the natural resources.
( Sorry I was waiting for Eastern Ukrainians to analyze the situation - they are usually doing a very good job, so this explains too, why the situation is constantly compared to Ukrainian one.)
So this is the scoop;
"By now we can acknowledge with no doubt that "Maidan" in Kazakhstan is over. The authorities of this country announced that ODKB mission is accomplished.
Judging by president's Tokaev's words, the change of economic course, that essentially triggered the protests, is coming.
In the contest of his speech, there are two interesting moments worthy of attention - gas and extraction.
The reason for the protests was the hiked price of the liquid gas.
If during the spring of 2021, the price of the liter of gas was 50 tange per liter, by the end of the year it was 60-80, and from the beginning of this year it jumped to the "market price" of 120 tange, with state regulations on price being removed.
This "market" game was a direct desire of the local authorities to please the Trans-Nationals that control the majority of K-stan natural resources, and international monetary organizations.
More than 70% of oil business in K-stan is run by the foreigners. US - almost 30%, China - about 18%, European companies - about 17,5%.
There is a similar situation when it comes to Uranium.
I have to remind you that Kazakhstan supplies 40% of the world production of Uranium.
Out of 13 uranium mines, 11 belong to the the Japanese, Russian, Chinese, French and Canadian companies.
The foreigners control the gold mining and metallurgy as well.
So the foreign investments that K-stan is so proud of, go first of all to the development of extraction of the natural resources.
This of course gives the return to investors, but doesn't improve much the living standards of the population.
In Ukraine this is often brought as a positive example, as "look, these are the honest Trans-National companies in charge, VS our abominable oligarchs," but the reality is questionable.
That's why K-stan example, ( other than the recent protests,) might work well for Ukraine in terms of economy lessons and relations with the international monetary organizations.
Now we'll talk about the economic reasons behind the recent upheaval in K-stan.
So as we know the protests began right in the beginning of the new year, with the sharply rising price on liquid gas, that is widely used for different purposes, cooking including, so it affected practically every household.
The reason behind such jump in price was the removal of state regulation. (At this, even the increased in price gas was still cheap by Ukrainian standards - 8 grivnas, while in Ukraine per liter it's 19-20 grivnas. )
Medium salary in K-stan is 15,500 grivnas ( per month) In Ukraine the medium salary is 14, 600 grivnas ( (if to listen to official statistics.)
Never the less the gas price became the trigger for the protests in K-stan.
The (invited economist) explains; "K-stan doesn't have any subsides, but they were not necessary, since the utilities there are 5 times lower than in Ukraine. But from the 1st of January, when the price for gas was raised to the "market price" level, and the authorities didn't take any precautions to soften the blow with the subsidies for the most needy, people took to the streets.
They were angered by the fact that they were deprived of their security, that the price could go up not only to 120 tange as today, but even higher at any day in the future.
It's clear that it was the IMF that insisted on the introduction of the market price on gas in K-stan, as it was in Ukraine. The K-stan followed the lead, without putting in place any subsidies.
(Earlier in November K-stan was praised by the IMF, that pointed only at one ongoing problem - the low vaccination rate. They advise K-stan to privatize more, and "to fight the corruption."
But when it comes to the reforms, K-stan was praised for the shrinking budget deficit, smaller discount rate of the central bank and so on.
However as the further events showed, the average citizens of K-stan didn't appreciate this drive for the "market reforms." This was a good lesson, and it should serve as a warning for Ukraine.
I have to remind you that Ukrainian authorities already signed up for the market price on gas.
In the memorandum signed with IMF, it's written that gas will be sold to the general population at the market price starting from the April of 2022.
So you can only wonder what's that going to be, taking in consideration the price of gas today on the European market.
The experts are warning that it all might end up with mass "fuel Maidans" in Ukraine.
One more point I'd like to discuss - it's the K-stan drive for the Western investments.
For the last 30 years ( i.e. from 1991, to 2021,) K-stan received $365 billion of direct investments, and became a leader among the former Soviet states in the sum of accumulated foreign investments per person.
In the global ratings K-stan bettered its position ( such as easiness of running business there, tax system, and so on.)
However; all these business investments that K-stan was so proud of, went primarily for the development of the extraction of the natural resources industry. It's obvious why - the country is rich in those natural resources.
I already mentioned in the very beginning all those companies, that own both oil and mining business in K-stan. And it's understood, that all these owners are not interested in state regulation of prices.
Comparably to K-stan, the appropriation of the natural resources by the foreign companies didn't take place in Ukraine yet.
But Western business is actively eyeing Ukrainian natural resources; gas production in particular.
On one hand, the stream of investments to K-stan, allowed it to grow. Within the last 30 years the GDP of Kazakhstan grew from $11 billion to $190 billion.
But this emphasis on the extraction of the natural resources industry brought the situation that the foreign investors benefited the most, plus the local elite of course. However the prosperity level of the local population, although it grew somewhat as well, but not significantly so.
Plus the inflation of the last years, plus the negative effect that coronovirus had on the K-stan economy.
A lot of Kazakhs that worked "under the table" were practically deprived of work.
In spite of the direct supportive payments that the government provided as relief during Covid, K-stan has certain minuses in comparison to Ukraine.
That is its people have nowhere to go in search of jobs; it's rather the other way around - the neighboring Uzbeks and Kirghiz come there in search of jobs. ( That's just one of the examples.)
So in his latest speeches president Tokayev indicated that K-stan is going to change not only the economic, but social-economic course of the country.
In fact he already announced the creation of the fund, which will be filled with money taken from the business that "got rich during Nazarbayev's reign" ( read the clans that were close to him.)
What businesses exactly are going to be affected, hasn't been mentioned yet. The fund itself is aimed to provide money for the social needs in governmental projects.
Yet another prediction is the increasing presence of Russian business in the country.
What's going to happen with the Transnationals that invested billions in K-stan is a good question.
They might actually win from the political stability of the country, but in any case they will have to cooperate with the Russian presence in the area, that ( if to follow the projections,) will be only growing from now on.
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