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Old 11-03-2016, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Can't the bros of the Russians grow more exotic things, like Armenia and Kyrgystan? Probably a lot cheaper to have greenhouses there in winter.
Greenhouses have advantages: jobs, taxes, small shelf life.

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It seems that the Russian grocery industry is underdeveloped and has never really caught up to the West. Concerning how popular Finnish dairy, meat and fish was in Russia before they were banned, Russian produce seems to be sub-par, and not on the standard of the general quality of living.
I think it depends on the size of the purse. If you have money, you can buy food in good quality stores. For example, here.
If you have little money, then you should look for good products in some small shops, in markets, etc.
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Old 11-03-2016, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Greenhouses have advantages: jobs, taxes, small shelf life.



I think it depends on the size of the purse. If you have money, you can buy food in good quality stores. For example, here.
If you have little money, then you should look for good products in some small shops, in markets, etc.
Yes, but it's also very expensive. For example domestic tomatoes are double the price in winter than in summer.

I don't think the purse is the only reason. People from Pskov-Novgorod-St Pete-Karelia who come to shop groceries in Finland are mostly middle-class, or not even that. They want higher quality products, but can't afford them in high-quality stores. People are ready to pay more, but cannot find the same quality by cost ratio in Russia.

Before the sanctions, 20% of the turnover of the dairy producer Valio came from Russia. This was their most popular cheese:



edit: Uhm, I watched some of the prices on that site, and something must be broken. The avocados and oranges cost as much or EVEN MORE in that store than they do in Finland. And Finnish wages are 5.6 times higher. But then again, that 'Entrekot' is 50% of the price here.

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Old 11-03-2016, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Russia
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edit: Uhm, I watched some of the prices on that site, and something must be broken. The avocados and oranges cost as much or EVEN MORE in that store than they do in Finland. And Finnish wages are 5.6 times higher. But then again, that 'Entrekot' is 50% of the price here.
Food products have a high price in Russia, it is true.

oranges:
vkusvill.ru/goods/8073 - 138 rub/kg

www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Finland (I'm not sure that this is a good site) - Oranges (1kg) 1.74 € = 1.74*75 = 123 rub/kg
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Old 11-03-2016, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Food products have a high price in Russia, it is true.

oranges:
vkusvill.ru/goods/8073 - 138 rub/kg

www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Finland (I'm not sure that this is a good site) - Oranges (1kg) 1.74 € = 1.74*75 = 123 rub/kg
Ok, then I understand why some Russians spend their weekend to sit in buses and shop in Finland. If it's expensive anyway, you can as well shop in Finland and get guaranteed quality. Take a couple of cartons of American cigarettes, sell them and you get some money in return. 2 cartons would sell for 4200 rubles.

Average price for oranges are €1.55.

But it's bad if people have to spend too much of their money on groceries. Lowers the purchasing power from a lot else. No wonder Russians depends on root vegetables so much. But who would want to eat borscht and shchi every day?
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Old 11-03-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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Is it safe now to use a lift in Russia if you're a journalist ?
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Old 11-03-2016, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Is it safe now to use a lift in Russia if you're a journalist ?
Do you think that in Siberia or Kolyma have lifts?
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Old 11-03-2016, 02:14 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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funny that you bring up greenhouses since Russia is investing a lot of money into building them, and is not only planning to become self sufficient in vegetable production, but also export them to China as well.
Russian agribusiness plans vegetable exports to China | Russia Beyond The Headlines
Greenhouse cucumbers and tomatoes in Siberia
JGC's greenhouse business finds room to grow in Russia's Far East- Nikkei Asian Review

However Kamchatka wouldn't be a good place for such plans since it is so far away and isolated, it would be good for self sufficiency to feed the locals, but probably not worth it to feed the nation.
Thanks for this info! And yes, on Kamchatka I was thinking in terms of providing a good supply and variety of food for the locals.

It's so interesting that Russia's thinking of exporting vegetables to China! Kind of like selling sand to the Arabs. In Siberia, the Chinese are famous for managing to produce vegetables in the local growing conditions. Especially in areas that are traditionally herding cultures, like Buryatia. And in other areas of Siberia, China actually leases land from Russia to grow vegetables.

Anyway, this is an impressive project, and is good news.
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Old 11-03-2016, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Europe
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Food products have a high price in Russia, it is true.

oranges:
vkusvill.ru/goods/8073 - 138 rub/kg

www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Finland (I'm not sure that this is a good site) - Oranges (1kg) 1.74 € = 1.74*75 = 123 rub/kg
Mr. Frolov what about sweetie?
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Old 11-03-2016, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Europe
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But who would want to eat borscht and shchi every day?
At autumn people need some fruits against depression. But with salary of 20 000 rub its difficult
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Old 11-03-2016, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Europe
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Why Switzerland greates export partner of Russian Federation?


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