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Your train of thought is wrong, its evidenced by your presumption of my political leanings. Beyond that, this Russian nonsense that the US is just like them and we are competing over control of Ukraine... uh nope, sorry!
Uh yep, sorry.
Nuland's admitting those $5 billion spent on Ukraine, her infamous "F*** the EU," the Chicago Council talking about American plans regarding Ukraine, and the last but not least even Brzezinski's outlining the separation of Ukraine and Russia as a necessary step in bringing Russia down - sorry, that's what it is; an attempt to control Ukraine.
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We only got involved in Ukraine when it was apparent that Russia is destabilizing it and we had to take a stand against illegal actions (annexing parts of European countries and invading countries using non uniformed soldiers). It serves our interests to keep Russia from attacking a country trying to reform itself into a liberal democracy (that cursed EU again!). Ukraine begged us to help them fight off invading Russians... so yeah we have the right to be there more than un-uniformed invaders do. The Russians are lucky we aren't actually helping Ukraine control its own border or there would be more zinc boys in cargo 200 trains.
"Destabilizing" it as in what? Trying to retain Ukraine in its own sphere of influence, in spite of all those billions that US gov. already spent on Ukraine, trying to sway things their own way? THAT "destabilizing?"
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Trump is a lot of bad things, but he is not using his office to make himself and his friends into billionaires compliments of the state.
You think so?
May be not so blatantly as Putin and Co are doing that, but starting from Ivanka herself ( and I'm sure - many other connected to Trump and his cabinet) - that's exactly what is going to happen.
Nor is he sending Americans to die in battle in neighboring countries and lying to us about it. There is no equivalence here, its like equivocating Nazi occupation of France to American liberation of France.
Trump ( the US) have a purchasing power. That's why in this particular case Americans don't need to "send" anyone to die in that country, when it can be simply purchased for America's geopolitical goals.
But purchasing a country is not necessarily the same as "liberating" it.
What about him?
He didn't have a chance to win, plus he is really weak when it comes to international policies.
And of course left-wing Americans are very critical of "domestic and international policies," because of the right wingers in charge.
Why do you think he is weak on international front (Sanders)? Many who didn't like Hillary, switched over to Trump when he lost the primaries, but that's another topic altogether.
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On board"... meaning with today's right-wing government?
They want to emulate what Western European countries ate doing, which involves improving welfare amongst other things.
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"Socialist approach" - that's first of all a Russian thing.
And since America sold Russia that "right wing approach" is the way to go... - guess what, now America can't have the "socialist approach" as well. There is God after all))
It most definitely isn't a Russian thing. Russian's borrowed the concept of socialism from Marx then turned it upside down. If you read any of Marx's works you will see that the SU bears little resemble to it.
In fact, while the Soviet Union had some Left Wing trappings, for all intents and purposes it was a very Right Wing regime. Why did the state hold so much power, when Marx advocated for limited government?
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Many on the left" dislike Russia first and utmost, because they believe that because of Russia the left lost its bid for the White House.
That's one reason, but I still believe the main one is due to how the government runs things over there. Many on the left are vocal about these issues and dislike country's that place restrictions on people.
That's also my main beef with Russia, far more so than either Ukraine or the election meddling and I'm saying that as someone who disagrees with many aspects of the Left.
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Oh boy... When Russians were "internationalists" and "left" - Americans were not happy. Now when Russians are "right" and stick to their "traditional cultural values" - Americans are not happy again)))
Russians were never truly left. See my above response.
I'll be honest, I strongly dislike the Left/Right label as I find it to be outdated. No single person is going to be entirely on one side of the fence. Left is considered progressive, while right is regressive.
The US is not entirely Right either.
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Well that's "Russian Orthodox community."
The rest of Russians have their own metal bands)))
Sure they do, but that doesn't justify expelling bands who were legally allowed to play in the first place. Keep in mind that the one's I'm talking about are not even politically motivated.
The band APKOHA (I'm using the Cyrillic spelling here) was allowed to play on the US without any issue.
Events in Ukraine:
1. The beginning of the rally.
2. Support for the protesters (Nuland, Biden, McCain and others).
3. Signing the agreement on early elections between Yanukovych, protesters, Germany, France, Russia.
4. The overthrow of Yanukovych (he was legitimate president, btw).
5. Joining of the Crimea.
6. The beginning of the Civil War.
Americans destabilized Ukraine before Russia. They controlled the coup.
Sure they do, but that doesn't justify expelling bands who were legally allowed to play in the first place. Keep in mind that the one's I'm talking about are not even politically motivated.
They violate Russian law. I don't support these bans, it's bad for the development of art. But I can understand it. Because the result of such songs can be "girl-slaughterers" from Khabarovsk (they tortured animals).
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The band APKOHA (I'm using the Cyrillic spelling here) was allowed to play on the US without any issue.
Their texts are rather harmless. They reflect another interesting phenomenon of Russian society, associated with the increase of erroneous history. But this is another story.
"Destabilizing" it as in what? Trying to retain Ukraine in its own sphere of influence, in spite of all those billions that US gov. already spent on Ukraine, trying to sway things their own way? THAT "destabilizing?"
Destabilizing as in bribing Yanukovich with loans to he and his family to put Ukraine on a path to Russian control. Destabilizing as in pumping in loads of lies about Ukraine in Russian language media in Ukraine. Destabilizing as in calling people to arms against "Kiev fascists". Destabilizing as in sending units to seize Ukrainian government buildings. Destabilizing as in launching an attack from inside of Russia killing 1000's of Ukrainians in order to seize control of Donbas. Destabilizing as in sending in Wagner to shoot down Ukrainian aircraft inside of Ukraine. Destabilizing as in shooting down civilian airliners and using propaganda to blame it on Ukraine. Destabilizing as in telling Ukrainians their government is not legitimately elected because Russians controlled some border territory and did not allow elections to occur there. Destabilizing as in launching cyber attacks such as NotPetya. Destabilizing as in using state "media" telling Russian speaking Ukrainians to hate their own country and how horrible the EU is. Destabilizing as in literally attacking the country because it wants to transform its government to be more European instead of being run as a mafia type of state like Russia.
Events in Ukraine:
1. The beginning of the rally.
2. Support for the protesters (Nuland, Biden, McCain and others).
3. Signing the agreement on early elections between Yanukovych, protesters, Germany, France, Russia.
4. The overthrow of Yanukovych (he was legitimate president, btw).
5. Joining of the Crimea.
6. The beginning of the Civil War.
Americans destabilized Ukraine before Russia. They controlled the coup.
You left out the reasons for all of the above, but I'll help you.
before 1:
1A. the rally began because people did not want to join Russia. And then
1B. the rally got bigger because the government used Putin style violence to counter protesters.
and then there is before 2:
2A the government passed laws to make protesting illegal which created the US support as in your 2.
3. Agreed, this is what the US also wanted at this stage.
4. Yes this was a coup but it was Ukrainian, America was still supporting 3 above.
5. Crimea was also an armed coup, 4 years ago today in fact. Even more, it was seized by Russian forces with their insignia removed.
6. The war did not start until Russian forces captured several areas of eastern Ukraine and Ukraine started resisting. The war against Ukraine will continue until Ukraine gives in to Putin's demands of control of Ukraine.
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