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Old 06-20-2018, 05:55 PM
 
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That's a nice conspiracy theory but it doesn't make any sense so its unlikely to be secretly true. They could have much easier run a pipe through Iraq. Its not like Assad would have been against making money on a pipe running through Syria anyway. The fact is, the money isn't worth the cost to build one. Gas is cheap (thanks in no small part to Russia).
Actually, he's right on this. Part of the conflict in Syria, though by no means all, can be directly linked to the oil and gas industry. There are two competing projects to build pipelines in the ME. One which involves Iran, the other Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Syria is at a crossroad. NATO and Russia support competing factions, which is part of the reason for the conflict. Of course, that's only one fraction of a much larger conflict that includes sectarian violence and religious fundamentalism.
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Old 06-20-2018, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Actually, he's right on this. Part of the conflict in Syria, though by no means all, can be directly linked to the oil and gas industry. There are two competing projects to build pipelines in the ME. One which involves Iran, the other Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Syria is at a crossroad. NATO and Russia support competing factions, which is part of the reason for the conflict. Of course, that's only one fraction of a much larger conflict that includes sectarian violence and religious fundamentalism.
Another important proposed pipeline that might be the next flashpoint is the trans Caspian pipeline. Russia and Iran both oppose this pipeline since it by passes both of them, where as Europe and Turkey are for it since it will diversify their gas supply and become less reliant on Russian gas. This pipeline will not only hook up Turkmenistan to Azerbaijan but also all of Central Asia as well.

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Old 06-20-2018, 07:24 PM
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Actually, he's right on this. Part of the conflict in Syria, though by no means all, can be directly linked to the oil and gas industry. There are two competing projects to build pipelines in the ME. One which involves Iran, the other Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Syria is at a crossroad. NATO and Russia support competing factions, which is part of the reason for the conflict. Of course, that's only one fraction of a much larger conflict that includes sectarian violence and religious fundamentalism.
Would be as plausible as saying Russia intervened in the war to prevent Qatar building a pipe to Turkey. But this still doesn't make much sense because Qatar can and does sell their gas as LNG, which isn't free but its got to be cheaper than paying for a pipe that far across many countries. If it was that easy they would put one in Iraq.
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Old 06-20-2018, 07:58 PM
 
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That's a nice conspiracy theory but it doesn't make any sense so its unlikely to be secretly true. They could have much easier run a pipe through Iraq. Its not like Assad would have been against making money on a pipe running through Syria anyway. The fact is, the money isn't worth the cost to build one. Gas is cheap (thanks in no small part to Russia).
The observation about pipelines being protected under the terrorism comes from a 3-hour BBC news program on terrorism in central Asia and the pipelines.

It doesn't matter if you're severely uninformed as usual. Syria had proposals from both Iran/Iraq and KSA for gas to be routed from the Pars gas field. KSA offered Obama funding to invade Syria after being rejected. That is where Trump got the idea to recently go before MBS and ask for money to base US troops in Syria.
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Old 06-20-2018, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Would be as plausible as saying Russia intervened in the war to prevent Qatar building a pipe to Turkey. But this still doesn't make much sense because Qatar can and does sell their gas as LNG, which isn't free but its got to be cheaper than paying for a pipe that far across many countries. If it was that easy they would put one in Iraq.
It wasn't so much as Qatar playing revenge against Syria (though that did play a part), but the Arab gulf states trying to sabotage the Persian pipelines being built to southern Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq–Syria_pipeline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Pipeline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar–Turkey_pipeline

There is a mini cold war going on between the Arab gulf states and Iran, and they are both trying to get the upper hand in the region. And on top of that there is a rift among the gulf states as well between Saudi Arabia and Qatar, it's truly a real life game of thrones down there.
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Old 06-21-2018, 05:43 AM
 
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From 1 to 10, how accurate is the following?
Not so accurate. Among Slavic speaking countries Russia is special as it has an engine of it's own inside it. The rest of slavic countries don't have it, so slavic world is similar to the Solar system where is one Sun what produces energy and the objects that orbit it. (True, in contemporary times many do not want to orbit and rather try to keep themselves away from Russia)
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Old 06-21-2018, 05:55 AM
 
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Not so accurate. Among Slavic speaking countries Russia is special as it has an engine of it's own inside it. The rest of slavic countries don't have it, so slavic world is similar to the Solar system where is one Sun what produces energy and the objects that orbit it. (True, in contemporary times many do not want to orbit and rather try to keep themselves away from Russia)
Follow up question for you, Uranus would be represented by which Slavic peoples?
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Old 06-21-2018, 03:24 PM
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Not so accurate. Among Slavic speaking countries Russia is special as it has an engine of it's own inside it. The rest of slavic countries don't have it, so slavic world is similar to the Solar system where is one Sun what produces energy and the objects that orbit it. (True, in contemporary times many do not want to orbit and rather try to keep themselves away from Russia)
There are way more Slavs outside of Russia than inside it. Russia seems to place an emphasis on its being majority Slavic in order to pose as being European.
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Old 06-21-2018, 08:55 PM
 
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I have now a question about soviet Russia. I recently read a book about the Cold war and there was written about CIA reports to US administration about Soviet life in early 80ies and the mentality of people. According to CIA soviet people had at the beginning of eighties a "cynical attitude" towards communism, i.e the party talks were not taken seriously. How was it in RSFSR aka the Russia proper back then? CPSU adopted a new program in 1961 what ended with the declaration: "The Party solemnly proclaims: the present generation of Soviet people shall live under communism!". How was it in RSFSR back then in early 1980ies before Gorbachov era?
Yes, the attitude towards *communism* ( i.e. the party promises of some euphoric future) were not taken all too seriously. However the Soviet system i.e. the SOCIALIST system under which people lived, was taken quiet seriously by the overwhelming majority of population.
The guaranteed pensions/maternity leaves/free education/medical care - all that was pointed at, in the argument against capitalist system. (Not to mention the absence of homelessness.)
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Old 06-21-2018, 09:03 PM
 
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There are way more Slavs outside of Russia than inside it. Russia seems to place an emphasis on its being majority Slavic in order to pose as being European.
No, DKM it's rather in reverse.
Russians point at their CULTURE as being European, and that's the culture that dominates their "Eurasian state."
So that means that even when they lose the other part of slavic population - (be that Belorussians or Ukrainians,) that doesn't make them feel "less European."
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