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Old 06-05-2018, 12:36 PM
 
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I think he is saying get rid of Russians like the Baltics did as in Russian control over their territory. Estonia has Russian people but not Russian government control over part of their country. This is an obvious goal, but the way to achieve it won't be easy or the way many of them hope for.
So what do you think happened here, what are the reasons that things didn't happen in the same way as in Estonia?
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Old 06-05-2018, 01:17 PM
 
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I guess Alec is in favor of ethnic cleansing/ forced migration, Estonia only for Estonians, Ukraine only for Ukrainians, and Russia only for Russians/mongol horde
Not exactly. If you wanna be citizen of Ukraine/Estonia etc, then you can respect this state, culture and language.
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Old 06-05-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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So what do you think happened here, what are the reasons that things didn't happen in the same way as in Estonia?
ES is member of NATO. Russian afraid NATO forces.

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Old 06-05-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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I think he is saying get rid of Russians like the Baltics did as in Russian control over their territory. Estonia has Russian people but not Russian government control over part of their country. This is an obvious goal, but the way to achieve it won't be easy or the way many of them hope for.
You got me pretty good!
There is many nations, black, Arabic, Latinos people, but nobody want to reconnect state of Ukraine to Nigeria, Morocco or Ecuador for example.

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Old 06-05-2018, 01:25 PM
 
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ES is member of NATO. Russian afraid NATO forces.
Nope. Try again.
Estonia went its separate way and only THEN became the member of NATO.
So... why it was not a case with Ukraine?
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Old 06-05-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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Nope. Try again.
Estonia went its separate way and only THEN became the member of NATO.
So... why it was not a case with Ukraine?
Thanks to the work of Russian special services and agents of influence all this time in Ukraine.
And ES is a little state but UA is a biggest state in Europe.
Bets and difficulty are higher.
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Old 06-05-2018, 03:30 PM
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So what do you think happened here, what are the reasons that things didn't happen in the same way as in Estonia?
Lots of things are different here of course, but the main one is Estonia did it when Russia was powerless to stop it. And Estonia was just trying to actively break from Russia, dreams of an EU or NATO alliance were not in the equation then. I would also add that Estonia had at the time more internal popular support to do this.
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Old 06-05-2018, 03:33 PM
 
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Lots of things are different here of course, but the main one is Estonia did it when Russia was powerless to stop it. And Estonia was just trying to actively break from Russia, dreams of an EU or NATO alliance were not in the equation then. I would also add that Estonia had at the time more internal popular support to do this.
Its a cohesive nation. If the Russians invade, they will defend themselves to the last drop of blood.
Im sure
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:14 PM
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Its a cohesive nation. If the Russians invade, they will defend themselves to the last drop of blood.
Im sure
Estonia? Ukraine? Nope. But the majority of them, yes.
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:51 PM
 
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Estonia? Ukraine? Nope. But the majority of them, yes.
More percent in Estonia then in Ukraine like a in time of winter war against USSR.
But I see there is in Ukraine grow up new nation. They is use Ukrainian and English to communicate. Not Russian.
Russia got lost battle for Ukraine. We'll never come back.
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