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Who cares if it was real or fake, none of that matters unless the person the West wants is in. The West, US, UK, will even overthrow a government if the people elect a person they do not want. The US will support a military coup to oust an elected government if that government is not in agreement with the US. I do not think I need to provide examples, because you know this very well...
Not necessarily. Plenty of left wing governments that have not been affected in any significant way. Evo Morales is still in power.
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If Maduro was US friendly, guarantee the US would not be taking this "its all about democracy" stance, just as the US is silent about the lack of any resemblance of democracy in Saudi Arabia and China.
Absolutely true here. No argument from me, with one exception. As bad as Saudi Arabia is, it’s also a wealthy country that does take care of its citizens. There are no refugees from SA flooding neighboring countries.
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Latin America is littered with US intervention, and US backing of dictators, like Pinochet who came to power how? oh yes, a US backed coup against a democratically elected government.
True, but then again, for every example of US intervention, you had counter coups. How did Castro co e to power? What about Chavez’s failed original coup? There’s also no way that Pinochet was anywhere near as bad as Castro. One paved the way for a modern prosperous Child that is now the most developed nation in South America. The other took Cuba to the gutter and caused a mass exodus of Cubans. Florida is littered with them.
Socialism has done far more damage to Latin America then any American intervention ever could.
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So please, lets drop this BS about democracy, will of people, etc, as if the US and anyone really gives a s**t about it.
Americans have a misguided notion of democracy, starting with the fact that the US is a republic. Proper democracy can only be found in the one derived from the Ancient Greeks and their direct citizen oriented approach. Nevertheless, at its core, the US is a country that has gone through tremendous social progress over the years and that is something worthy of respect.
The US is very hypocritical in its international dealings, but that doesn’t mean that it’s opinion should be outright ignored.
Brazil and Colombia are both fed up with Maduro and his policies.
However, don’t mistake what I’m saying as a blessing for a military campaign.
Thank you, that's what I believe in too, that deep in their heart Russians are tea-drinkers.
When people hear "tea" they usually think "England," but they probably should think "Russia" instead)))
I am sure by now the snobby moscovites are going into fancy caffees and drink their latte in the morning or what's not, but comes afternoon time - tea is everywhere, without any particular thought or effort.
Friends stop by - that tea-kettle is flying on the stove top; unexpected guest or family members coming home - the tea kettle is right there, boiling right away. At that Russians have their own preferences - they like not just Indian tea, they like specifically Ceylon tea I've noticed. One particular British brand is very popular over there. It made it here to my local grocery store too, but interestingly enough it still tastes different than in Russia.
I guess the company figured out what sells over there, so they adjust their product according to the market's taste.
I have never been in a Russian/Belorussian home that didn't have a teapot or electric tea kettle. Usually both and there is always plenty of tea to be had. Coffee can be found usually, freeze dried Sanka way in the back of the cupboard. My sister in law grew her own tea and had mint which she used in cooking and for tea. I grew mint at our house in pots. It makes great tea I think.
Who cares if it was real or fake, none of that matters unless the person the West wants is in. The West, US, UK, will even overthrow a government if the people elect a person they do not want. The US will support a military coup to oust an elected government if that government is not in agreement with the US. I do not think I need to provide examples, because you know this very well...
If Maduro was US friendly, guarantee the US would not be taking this "its all about democracy" stance, just as the US is silent about the lack of any resemblance of democracy in Saudi Arabia and China.
Latin America is littered with US intervention, and US backing of dictators, like Pinochet who came to power how? oh yes, a US backed coup against a democratically elected government.
So please, lets drop this BS about democracy, will of people, etc, as if the US and anyone really gives a s**t about it.
The US is putting Elliott Abrams, who oversaw the death squads in Latin America and the arming and training of the Contras in the war on Nicaragua in the 80's, in charge of 'restoring democracy' in Venezuela.
The US provides security apparatus oversight for the governments there as in many countries. The CIA and the US military advisors oversee the torture, kidnapping, and targeted assassinations. If you google "Col. Steele Iraq", you'll find that he was the consultant to the Iraq detention camps and the El Salvador death squads. They were also using Honduran forces during the occupation of Iraq because of their past experience in counterinsurgency using the above means.
Not necessarily. Plenty of left wing governments that have not been affected in any significant way. Evo Morales is still in power.
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Absolutely true here. No argument from me, with one exception. As bad as Saudi Arabia is, it’s also a wealthy country that does take care of its citizens. There are no refugees from SA flooding neighboring countries.
You know very little about it. Your cherry picking is obvious and as usual you omit anything that doesn't fit your narrative and hope no one sees. I know a girl who fled Saudi Arabia due to familial "difficulties". There was another who locked herself in her hotel room recently and was granted asylum by Canada I believe.Life for migrant workers there is often horrible. Your "exception' is just you holding up a dead cat, (once again) hoping no one will notice
The Saudi Regime has no reason to exist.
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True, but then again, for every example of US intervention, you had counter coups. How did Castro co e to power? What about Chavez’s failed original coup? There’s also no way that Pinochet was anywhere near as bad as Castro. One paved the way for a modern prosperous Child that is now the most developed nation in South America. The other took Cuba to the gutter and caused a mass exodus of Cubans. Florida is littered with them.
Socialism has done far more damage to Latin America then any American intervention ever could.
In the 1980s Reagan allowed Castro to empty his jails into Florida or did you forget? Cuba doesn't suffer from a failure of anything they do, their brand of socialism can and does care for the people. They suffer from restrictions imposed on them from without, god forbid we may see Cubans having a better life than they do now. If the west was not so afraid of Cuba the numerous sanctions imposed would be removed and they would be dealt with on an equal basis of opportunity.
Idiotology makes people suffer the world over. America is the biggest users of it.
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Americans have a misguided notion of democracy, starting with the fact that the US is a republic. Proper democracy can only be found in the one derived from the Ancient Greeks and their direct citizen oriented approach. Nevertheless, at its core, the US is a country that has gone through tremendous social progress over the years and that is something worthy of respect.
Bull****. We've made no substantial progress , set no example worth following since the moon landings. Were we respectable we would not be here now discussing this intervention. We are in fact going backwards. The US is walking away from the INF treaty ffs. Do we need more nukes on this planet? Maybe some more flavors such as cobalt crust busters or strontium - 90 delights? Why not cities filled with people in space instead of satellites filled with KKMs?
[quote]The US is very hypocritical in its international dealings, but that doesn’t mean that it’s opinion should be outright ignored.]/quote]
America is undependable, untrustworthy and basically the school yard punk bully. Don't worry about Americas future irrelevance, that's just down the road. Worry about what is going to happen between now and then. America shouldn't be just ignored, it should be kicked into a corner chained up like a mad dog and ignored. America does nothing for the progress of humanity.
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Brazil and Colombia are both fed up with Maduro and his policies.
You know very little about it. Your cherry picking is obvious and as usual you omit anything that doesn't fit your narrative and hope no one sees. I know a girl who fled Saudi Arabia due to familial "difficulties". There was another who locked herself in her hotel room recently and was granted asylum by Canada I believe.Life for migrant workers there is often horrible. Your "exception' is just you holding up a dead cat, (once again) hoping no one will notice
The Saudi Regime has no reason to exist.
I'm not cherry picking anything. I'm well aware of the Saudi girl that was granted asylum in Canada and am damn proud of that. Venezuela is having a mass exodus on the other hand. You may want to look up the situation.
I fully agree with you regarding Saudi Arabia though
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In the 1980s Reagan allowed Castro to empty his jails into Florida or did you forget? Cuba doesn't suffer from a failure of anything they do, their brand of socialism can and does care for the people. They suffer from restrictions imposed on them from without, god forbid we may see Cubans having a better life than they do now. If the west was not so afraid of Cuba the numerous sanctions imposed would be removed and they would be dealt with on an equal basis of opportunity.
Idiotology makes people suffer the world over. America is the biggest users of it.
No, I didn't forget about that. Castro came to power in 1959. He replaced a corrupt and inept regime with another totalitarian regime.
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Bull****. We've made no substantial progress , set no example worth following since the moon landings. Were we respectable we would not be here now discussing this intervention. We are in fact going backwards. The US is walking away from the INF treaty ffs. Do we need more nukes on this planet? Maybe some more flavors such as cobalt crust busters or strontium - 90 delights? Why not cities filled with people in space instead of satellites filled with KKMs?
Need I remind you, that you were the one who brought this up first here. I was merely responding to it.
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America is undependable, untrustworthy and basically the school yard punk bully. Don't worry about Americas future irrelevance, that's just down the road. Worry about what is going to happen between now and then. America shouldn't be just ignored, it should be kicked into a corner chained up like a mad dog and ignored. America does nothing for the progress of humanity.
If America was so irrelevant as you claim, then why the outrage? Surely, Maduro would have just ignored Trump's claims. Why was there such outrage over the move of the embassy to Jerusalem? It's because the Arab World fears that other countries may follow suit.
America may very well lose relevance in the future, but that's definitely not the case today.
I know that the US is an incredibly corrupt and in many ways hypocritical nation, but there's no way on Earth that countries like Russia, China, Iran and Venezuela are better.
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