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Old 07-26-2015, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
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Ukrainians, Russians, and Belarusians are all same people.
No, they are not.
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Old 07-26-2015, 10:38 PM
 
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No, they are not.
So what's the difference?
No, really?
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Old 07-26-2015, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
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So what's the difference?
No, really?
I don't know about Belarus, but Ukraine is not less different to Russia than say, Norway is to Sweden, Portugal is to Spain, Austria is to Germany etc.
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Old 07-26-2015, 11:35 PM
 
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I don't know about Belarus, but Ukraine is not less different to Russia than say, Norway is to Sweden, Portugal is to Spain, Austria is to Germany etc.
So I'll repeat my question again - what exactly is the difference?
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Old 07-27-2015, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Original separatists, ruling a part of what is now Russia, attacked and destroyed Kiev in 1169 to cut the ties with central authority and have their own thing going in the forest and swamps up north.
These separatists were brothers. Yaroslav the Wise divided the unified Rus between 5 his sons. This marked beginning of a long bloody civil war among his descendants, which culminated in the destruction of Kiev, and then the Mongol-Tatar invasion to Eastern Rus. And by the way, Rus not called "Kievan" at the time. This is modern name of ancient Rus state. Ancient Rus had several large cities / centers of attraction: Novgorod, Kiev, Pskov, Suzdal, Rostov, etc. Descendants of Rurik dynasty rules in these cities, they fought among themselves. This predetermined the disintegration of the state and caused the capture of principalities from Poland, Lithuania, Mongols.
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Old 07-27-2015, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Russian were and remain fratricidal.
Oh-ho-ho. Maybe you've forgotten how Novgorod princes to move the capital in Kiev? As Kiev princes baptized Slavs with fire and sword? No. Russia, Belarus and Ukraine share a common history. Your attempts to divide the history of ancient Rus to Ukrainian, Russian and Belarus is a mistake.
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Old 07-27-2015, 07:55 AM
 
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Re: "Belarus is not a threat to the outside world and
So it not a concern though it is politically isolated in Europe.
Alexander Lukashenko is not a potential problem, unlike Vladimir Putin who is"

Just to add. There's always the chance that the 'fraternity' between the two will always be looking for maximum political, economic and social advantages. So with that Belarus may not be do much a 'threat'. It is the combinatorial aspect that's perhaps more of full import.
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Old 07-27-2015, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Oh-ho-ho. Maybe you've forgotten how Novgorod princes to move the capital in Kiev? As Kiev princes baptized Slavs with fire and sword? No. Russia, Belarus and Ukraine share a common history. Your attempts to divide the history of ancient Rus to Ukrainian, Russian and Belarus is a mistake.
It might be better to start a thread in the "History" section discussing Russian and Slav history.
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Old 07-27-2015, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Oh-ho-ho. Maybe you've forgotten how Novgorod princes to move the capital in Kiev? As Kiev princes baptized Slavs with fire and sword? No. Russia, Belarus and Ukraine share a common history.
Does that mean that these nations and all other Slavic nations belong to Russia?
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Old 07-27-2015, 08:42 PM
 
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Does that mean that these nations and all other Slavic nations belong to Russia?
Yes and no. Basically, it's all about history of church - that's what separated Slavs to begin with, with Poland going under Rome and Kievan Rus stubbornly refusing to do the same and forging the ties with Byzantium instead.
Now Serbs (whatever their history is) on another hand still retained their Orthodoxy and with it - close ties to Russia.
That's what it really goes back to - the history of church and how different denominations shaped and influenced different cultures. ( After all, Franks were one and the same people under Charlemagne, but it was the Catholic church that shaped and formed France, while Protestantism is what shaped and formed Germany.
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