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"Russian imperial right." What do you mean by that?
If desire to subjugate Ukrainians, you're wrong.
If desire to prevent the coming to power of neo-Nazis, to rewrite history, you're right.
A Russian nazi is concerned about neo nazis in Ukraine? It is a strange concern considering striking parallels between modern Russia and Nazi Germany, Stalinism was a fascist ideology too, and Stalin is a newly rediscovered Russian hero.
A well known Russian translator Illya Frank (including translation of Goebbels speeches) leaves Russia because nazism of modern Russia reminds him 1930s Germany too much, he claims that Russian propaganda simply fills up German templates with current content. http://www.svoboda.mobi/a/27150010.html
Nazism+fascism+Stalinism+cccorruption+mafioso-fsb-bureucracy complex. Does it concern you in the least, or you benefit too much of it to be concerned?
More important is how happy belarusian people is under Lukashenko's rule. I think they are quite happy. Lukashenko isn't a dictator, he is like a good and kind father for belarusian people.
A Russian nazi is concerned about neo nazis in Ukraine?
Yes, because the Nazis gained power in Ukraine.
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It is a strange concern considering striking parallels between modern Russia and Nazi Germany, Stalinism was a fascist ideology too, and Stalin is a newly rediscovered Russian hero.
US builds roads. It is a parallel with Nazi Germany! United States has a strong army, and monitor people. This parallel with Stalinism! US residents are patriots. It is a manifestation of fascism! And United States celebrated the victory in World War II, and acknowledged that Stalin was among the winners of the war! Oh, US is very dangerous...
it is not the point. The point is that being conquered by the same raiders is not a proof of being similar in any other way.
My English is not very good. I was not able to correctly translate this phrase.
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Much like Solntsevo racketeer gangs united various businesses under its control back in the days.
Yes, but Ruriks did not stop there. They have created a new state and a new nation.
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Nation is an18th century concept. 10th century saw various tribes united by paying tribute to the same gangs. It is a long way from there to a nation.
You are wrong. Chronicle (eg, "The Lay of Igor") show that the union of tribes called themselves "Rus" before the Mongol invasion. The process of merging the separate tribes into one common completed by that time. Throughout the state was single language, single religion, single ruling dynasty.
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How can you restore borders of something without restoring that something? Only Russian imperial mythology allows for that.
This is not a mythology. It is a fact. Russian Empire regained the territory of ancient Rus. Currently, Belarus, and Ukraine came out from Russia, it is the choice of people living there. But to say that is a different country - it is a mistake. This is fragments of a large and old country.
Nazism is not just a demonization label Russian nazi propaganda privatized to destroy Ukraine. Behind Russia's 'Neo-Nazi' Propaganda Campaign in Ukraine - US News
Nazism has define features, Illya Frank knows a lot about nazism to compare Russia with Nazi Germany. That link in my previous message outlines all the parallels, assuming www.svoboda.org is accessible in Russia.
Divided nation, restoring traditions, national unity, strong leader, extreme xenophobia, revanchism, militarism, homophobia, etc., etc. historic parallels are astounding just like similarities between Putin and Hitler's annexation speeches. You steal Goebbels ideas (a talented man as Putin has put it) shamelessly. Here is another link outlining the similarities. http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile...ps/496059.html
US builds roads. It is a parallel with Nazi Germany! United States has a strong army, and monitor people. This parallel with Stalinism! US residents are patriots. It is a manifestation of fascism! And United States celebrated the victory in World War II, and acknowledged that Stalin was among the winners of the war! Oh, US is very dangerous...
That is a cheap reduction to absurd. Fascism has distinct features, I discussed those in full details in my previous messages. Modern Russia, and its stalinist daddy, are bonafide fascist regimes, whatever definition you take. You can call USA anything but fascist, and yet in the convoluted ways USA enabled the bestial crimes of the Soviet regime.
Yes, basically we are a dictatorship! Does it matter? Well yes I think so. But to be honest I don't bother too much about this) just somehow I can live with it. It's not so scary, if you are not an active opposition member))
obviously it always matter far more to people who have absolutely nothing to do with the country than those who actually live in them.
What's the rush? The US became a full democracy only in 1965, only 50 years.
Yes, but Ruriks did not stop there. They have created a new state and a new nation.
Rurik' lineage vanished before the concepts of nation and state grabbed hold on the minds.
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You are wrong. Chronicle (eg, "The Lay of Igor") show that the union of tribes called themselves "Rus" before the Mongol invasion.
tribes were illiterate busy surving a day. Greek monks writing chronicles on the behalf of the princes feeding them were the original propagandists. Naturally, 200 years of mayhem to control and unite the tribes and rulers refusing to unite required some ideological foundations as revealed in chronicles. And yet, before Golden Horde injected Muscovites with treachery and blood lust, all the attempts at unification failed.
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The process of merging the separate tribes into one common completed by that time. Throughout the state was single language, single religion, single ruling dynasty.
OUutrageous BS. It took nothing short of the modern state, mass literacy, mass education, mass media, etc., etc. to impose unity like that.
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This is not a mythology. It is a fact. Russian Empire regained the territory of ancient Rus. Currently, Belarus, and Ukraine came out from Russia, it is the choice of people living there. But to say that is a different country - it is a mistake. This is fragments of a large and old country.
Muscovy, later to be branded Russian Empire, grabbed the lands of the former Kievan Rus and exterminated almost all authentic cultures that developed there to culminate in two crazy Belarus women getting berserk at the sounds of the Belorussian language. There is no way no how, Ukraine is a derivative of Muscovy.
Rurik' lineage vanished before the concepts of nation and state grabbed hold on the minds.
Not that I can go through all your nonsense on a constant bases, but did you edit Wikipedia? All of it? I guess not yet.
Since you missed your opportunity, here it is -
This was the making of Russian state. The dude was Rurikid. He was the one who finished off his son by the way, so as you can see that Russian rulers were not only fratricidal - they've had more in storage )))
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