Ukrainian plane crashes in Iran, 180 people killed (England, expensive, airport)
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It's not the Ukrainian Airline. They have a clean record of no accidents for a long time.
It's rather Boeing. Airline accident ratings
I know that Boeing 737 have issues and the MAX computer system has to be updated. I did read that there are wire bundles that may catch fire on the MAX and earlier models of the 737 may be reviewed for the same problem.
I don't remember the details of the two 737 MAX flights that crashed. Wasn't it a spiral and roller coaster type situation where pilots couldn't control the wing flap ascent/descent angles? This crash sounds like a fireball that fell to the earth.
What if Iran blew the plane out of the air because they thought it was an incoming from the base in Iraq, or what if Iran wanted to show the USA that they could blow up a small thing mid-air.
What if Iran blew the plane out of the air because they thought it was an incoming from the base in Iraq, or what if Iran wanted to show the USA that they could blow up a small thing mid-air.
Plausible Iran thought it was a US aircraft and shot it down, but it would have taken a very stupid crew and a lack of training for that to happen in such circumstances. Tehran is a few hundred miles deep into Iran, EW and other AA systems would have well in advance detected such aircraft, and such aircraft would not be flying at such a route at such an altitude and climbing, at such a speed.
As for shooting it down on purpose to prove something, first they would actually have to admit this to prove anything, and there has never been a doubt they can shoot down aircraft.
Plausible Iran thought it was a US aircraft and shot it down, but it would have taken a very stupid crew and a lack of training for that to happen in such circumstances. Tehran is a few hundred miles deep into Iran, EW and other AA systems would have well in advance detected such aircraft, and such aircraft would not be flying at such a route at such an altitude and climbing, at such a speed.
As for shooting it down on purpose to prove something, first they would actually have to admit this to prove anything, and there has never been a doubt they can shoot down aircraft.
There must be a reason that the Iranians are refusing to hand over the black boxes.
Iran claims that the crash was a result of "jet engine failure and the pilot lost control." Experts are sceptical. Canada is consulting with Ukrainians and Iranians regarding black box data interpretation.
This plane wasnt shot down by a missile or we would have seen it. Our launch detection satellites were and are covering Iran during this period. Unless you think we would hide this from Canada, which is extremely far fetched...
When Russian forces shot down MH 17 we saw the launch and shared this info with Nato allies.
Judging by what they are saying here, the plane was new, about three years old ( built in 2016, came directly from the factory,) was serviced last time 6th of January, no problems observed, no previous complaints from the crew.
Experienced pilots ( "the crew was reinforced, keeping in mind the complexity of Tehran airport" - that's what I hear.)
As for the rest - all these "orders from Zelensky to "investigate, to see through" - all this moo-ing in Ukrainian dialect, all these official statements coming from someone like Goncharuk ( prime minister) don't give too much confidence in terms of level of competence of "bureau of investigation" or any other such organization in Ukraine.
Of course under normal circumstances Ukrainian officials would rely on Americans, but Iran won't let it happen, so...
It's either Russia or European countries ( France may be?) - whoever Iranians decide to let on onto investigation.
This plane wasnt shot down by a missile or we would have seen it. Our launch detection satellites were and are covering Iran during this period. Unless you think we would hide this from Canada, which is extremely far fetched...
When Russian forces shot down MH 17 we saw the launch and shared this info with Nato allies.
Russian forces did not shoot down MH 17. It was DNR freedom fighters defending themselves from Ukrainian air attacks. The BUK launcher was jacked in Mariupol earlier that spring. Punch yourself. Stop spreading disinformation and propaganda. Tool.
This plane wasnt shot down by a missile or we would have seen it. Our launch detection satellites were and are covering Iran during this period. Unless you think we would hide this from Canada, which is extremely far fetched...
When Russian forces shot down MH 17 we saw the launch and shared this info with Nato allies.
It always takes time, and it is far more complicated because of tensions between the USA and Iran. A thorough investigation is needed, but Iran will not hand the black boxes over to Boeing because it is an USA company. That makes the situation more complicated. Boeing/USA is trying to align with Ukraine to get their hands on the black boxes, and Canada is offering an impartial analysis and consult with Boeing.
Trump is asking NATO for help, stating that something will "not be tolerized any longer." The USA cannot be relied on at this time.
Russian forces did not shoot down MH 17. It was DNR freedom fighters defending themselves from Ukrainian air attacks. The BUK launcher was jacked in Mariupol earlier that spring. Punch yourself. Stop spreading disinformation and propaganda. Tool.
Says the person claiming Canada is a vassal state of the USA and is responsible for 1000s of deaths in Ukraine in post #31.The launcher came from Kursk, which is still part of Russia.
It always takes time, and it is far more complicated because of tensions between the USA and Iran. A thorough investigation is needed, but Iran will not hand the black boxes over to Boeing because it is an USA company. That makes the situation more complicated. Boeing/USA is trying to align with Ukraine to get their hands on the black boxes, and Canada is offering an impartial analysis and consult with Boeing.
Trump is asking NATO for help, stating that something will "not be tolerized any longer." The USA cannot be relied on at this time.
I don't disagree.
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