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I have to further amend my post about satellites because now it's being reported we did detect 2 launches which could match a SA 15. We didn't report it at first because we wanted to see Iran's reaction. They use thermal detection, so it would be small on a Tor but still reasonably able to determine the kind based on heat signature. A man pad would be undetectable.
You have to realize, the Russian keyboard warriors around here consider all nations with sanctions on Russia to be vassals of the USA. And therefore incapable of being impartial in this incident.
It's not just "Russian keyboard warriors" as you'd love to imagine with all your anti-Russian agenda that you keep on pushing here over and over.
Europeans ( well part of them) see the situation the same way.
The arguments going back and forth among the British political establishment ( in this case Corbyn and Johnson) are pretty revealing under the circumstances;
And what Mercouris is saying here from Great Britain yet again ( about the vacuum for objective and independent diplomacy on behalf of Europeans) is true too ( in spite of the honorable mentioning of Macron and his latest efforts.)
Given past instances, I expect a Russian fueled story to come out blaming the USA for this shoot down. They can't blame Ukraine this time. They are getting a story ready, that is for sure. Won't surprise me to see it appear here on this forum.
Given past instances, I expect a Russian fueled story to come out blaming the USA for this shoot down. They can't blame Ukraine this time. They are getting a story ready, that is for sure. Won't surprise me to see it appear here on this forum.
How could anyone blame anybody other than Iran?
However, I already see in the P&C threads some posters blaming Trump and Putin for it.
Given past instances, I expect a Russian fueled story to come out blaming the USA for this shoot down. They can't blame Ukraine this time. They are getting a story ready, that is for sure. Won't surprise me to see it appear here on this forum.
And the mentioning of Putin as the force behind this shoot down is coming on this forum in 1..2...3...
Given past instances, I expect a Russian fueled story to come out blaming the USA for this shoot down. They can't blame Ukraine this time. They are getting a story ready, that is for sure. Won't surprise me to see it appear here on this forum.
Well... The USA had a motive. And weapons (drones). We cannot reject this version. It is also likely.
If it was intentional, you can't discount Russian involvement.
Let's think who had a motive for this? I don't see a Iran’s motive. It can be stupid mistake. I do not see a Russia's motive. I see a US's motive. A drone could waited for Iran’s government flight to avenge attacks on the bases.
Who benefits from this? I don't see a win for Iran. I don't see a win for Russia. I see a win for the USA. Everyone forgot about the attack on American bases and are discussing the tragedy.
But yes, we can't discount Russian involvement. Need a discussion.
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