[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by Major League

I think the article in the Palm Bch Post speaks volume in this matter. The number of Haitians moving into that area will, unfortunately, imo, change things. PSL is not a place I'd consider moving to. In fact, because of this reason, I have decided to not pursue a move to the Vero Bch area, b/c I wonder how long it will take to go down hill too.

It's a bit funny though, because Vero already is "worse" than Port Saint Lucie, crime-wise, so Port Saint Lucie actually has a ways to go before reaching even Vero, let alone West Palm or Lake Worth.


Port Saint Lucie growth has basically "stopped" at this point. Fueled by speculation, there's just not the influx coming in as there was. Even Haitians seem to be moving out (we had a family of Hatians on my mother's block. The kids were actually friends with my little brother).

[Major League]

VB crime worse than PSL? You got any links or source to that information?

[compelled to reply]

Originally Posted by Major League

VB crime worse than PSL? You got any links or source to that information?

//www.city-data.com/city/Vero-Beach-Florida.html
Crime in Vero Beach by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
Murders 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0
per 100,000 0.0 5.8 0.0 5.4 5.7 0.0 0.0 0.0
Rapes 6 17 5 10 5 4 6 7
per 100,000 36.1 99.4 27.5 54.0 28.3 22.5 34.1 40.3
Robberies 23 24 18 18 32 12 16 23
per 100,000 138.5 140.3 99.1 97.2 181.2 67.6 90.9 132.4
Assaults 55 50 53 62 55 58 64 46
per 100,000 331.3 292.3 291.8 334.9 311.4 326.9 363.7 264.9
Burglaries 175 170 160 207 130 137 145 121
per 100,000 1054.1 993.9 880.9 1118.1 736.1 772.1 824.0 696.8
Thefts 790 791 591 616 572 523 551 498
per 100,000 4758.5 4624.4 3253.7 3327.2 3239.0 2947.6 3131.2 2867.7
Auto thefts 50 45 27 32 32 28 44 23
per 100,000 301.2 263.1 148.6 172.8 181.2 157.8 250.0 132.4
Arson 2 5 5 1 3 1 1 6
per 100,000 12.0 29.2 27.5 5.4 17.0 5.6 5.7 34.6
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 321.1) 424.9 467.3 313.8 375.3 346.2 288.3 330.2 299.0

//www.city-data.com/city/Port-S...e-Florida.html
Crime in Port St. Lucie by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005
Murders 3 3 5 1 1 0 1
per 100,000 3.7 3.5 5.5 1.1 1.0 0.0 0.8
Rapes 27 12 20 19 17 16 17
per 100,000 33.6 13.9 22.0 20.5 16.9 14.8 14.0
Robberies 29 20 34 30 30 33 27
per 100,000 36.1 23.1 37.3 32.3 29.9 30.6 22.3
Assaults 181 182 195 220 233 192 242
per 100,000 225.2 210.3 214.1 237.0 232.2 178.0 199.9
Burglaries 523 523 556 737 683 749 770
per 100,000 650.6 604.2 610.5 794.0 680.7 694.5 636.0
Thefts 1,494 1,599 1,690 1,812 1,906 1,856 1,783
per 100,000 1858.4 1847.2 1855.7 1952.0 1899.5 1720.9 1472.7
Auto thefts 93 83 75 103 110 123 144
per 100,000 115.7 95.9 82.4 111.0 109.6 114.0 118.9
Arson 15 13 11 11 14 12 11
per 100,000 18.7 15.0 12.1 11.9 14.0 11.1 9.1
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 268.9) 219.3 190.9 206.1 218.2 203.4 183.2 172.5
All I bet matters to you is this

Races in Port St. Lucie:

* White Non-Hispanic (82.8%)
* Hispanic (7.5%)
* Black (7.1%)
* Other race (1.8%)
* Two or more races (1.8%)
* American Indian (0.6%)
Races in Vero Beach:

* White Non-Hispanic (88.6%)
* Hispanic (5.8%)
* Black (3.4%)
* Other race (1.4%)
* Two or more races (1.0%)

Oh, and just because they did a story two Haitian people moved to PSL a couple of months ago doesn't mean "All of the Haitians are moving in ruining it". I would really like you to prove a mass Haitian migration into PSL, and even if there was, who the hell cares. They aren't all gang members.

[TriMT7]

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Also note that while PSL has an unusual 5.2 murders last year, I'm pretty sure that number includes that family of four from Miami or West Palm or whatever that was involved in drug smuggling that just *happened* to be killed on the turnpike within PSL city limits.

[Major League]

"Oh, and just because they did a story two Haitian people moved to PSL a couple of months ago doesn't mean "All of the Haitians are moving in ruining it". I would really like you to prove a mass Haitian migration into PSL, and even if there was, who the hell cares. They aren't all gang members."




Nobody said that. I said it would change things. I think the crime will rise up the coast as more and more ppl flee south FL. I dont think anyone would strongly disagrre with that statement. Plus, if I said I didnt want to move to PSL due to a lot of NY Jets fans or Patriots fans b/c I am a dolphins fan, and I dont want tv's polluted with non sense in every sportsbar throught PSL, that's my biz.

[Major League]

"who the hell cares."


That's laughable man. A lot of people would care, whether wrong in ur eyes or not.

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by Major League

Nobody said that. I said it would change things. I think the crime will rise up the coast as more and more ppl flee south FL. I dont think anyone would strongly disagrre with that statement. Plus, if I said I didnt want to move to PSL due to a lot of NY Jets fans or Patriots fans b/c I am a dolphins fan, and I dont want tv's polluted with non sense in every sportsbar throught PSL, that's my biz.

Not that I think PSL needs anymore residents, but I just don't understand the logic that if you're concerned about "crime fleeing North," you're going to position yourself in a city that already has higher crime than one you're afraid is going to "change"?

There may be plenty of other reasons why someone may not want to call PSL as a place to live. Fear about "crime" isn't one of them, until PSL starts to outdo its neighbors in crime.

[compelled to reply]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

There may be plenty of other reasons why someone may not want to call PSL as a place to live. Fear about "crime" isn't one of them, until PSL starts to outdo its neighbors in crime.

My examples would be relentlessly bland appearance, isolation from shopping and dining, and surprisingly bad schools. I consider low crime a plus to being there.

[moving123456]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

Also note that while PSL has an unusual 5.2 murders last year, I'm pretty sure that number includes that family of four from Miami or West Palm or whatever that was involved in drug smuggling that just *happened* to be killed on the turnpike within PSL city limits.

What is .2 of a murder?

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by moving123456

What is .2 of a murder?

It's "per 100,000" people. There's more than 100k but less than 200k in PSL, so I guess that's where the .2 comes in.

Originally Posted by compelled to reply

My examples would be relentlessly bland appearance, isolation from shopping and dining, and surprisingly bad schools. I consider low crime a plus to being there.

I think you'll find the sad part is that most of the treasure coast and north till about Saint Augustine is pretty damn bland in appearance.

Schools are a mixed bag. But I'm a product of those schools and turned out quite well, financially, career wise, etc. Isolation from shopping and dining is true, depending on where you are in PSL.... but again, anything Saint Lucie County and North isn't really a happening place to be.... and that's why there's less crime!