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According to the Southern Focus Poll results, the states in which the majority of people both claim they live in the South, and also consider themselves Southerners (with gaps in each case) are the 11 Old Confederate States plus Kentucky and Oklahoma.
There is another survey done (which I am trying to locate and post) where residents were given choices as to regional affliliation. That is to say, rather than just simply ask the respondent if they lived in the South, they were given a choice of naming the region themselves. For example, many from Oklahoma chose "Midwest" over "South" when given the option.
I remember that Texans went 71% for South. However, as indicated by certain displayed maps, the noteable exception was in the trans-pecos area which was heavily in favor of "West."
Anyway, I will try and find that study and map....
They typically are but a vast majority of people do not realize that the Appalachian range actually goes up so far into Canada. Liz
The Appalachian chain shares a lot of things , north to south. Mainly the typographic,- rocks , plant life, animals , and often the weather. I lived many years in the Blue Ridge ( NC ), and was often heard to say, " The attitude , was tempered by the latitude, northern in nature by altitude " . There is a lot of thought that can be gleaned from those words........
Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina..
You can't be serious can you...you don't think that Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina, Kentucky, and Virginia are Southern? They are called the Upper South. THere is much more to the South than just the Deep South.
Well, you probably know better what are you talking about than me, but I've been to Florida at least 50 times, and have covered pretty much all of the state. From my experience however, I'll be damned if Florida feels Northern anywhere you go. It's Southern culture may be limited to the Northern parts, but its cities still look Southern in terms of architecture and appearance. Excluding Florida from the South is like excluding Maine from the Northeast. 60 years this was not the case for Florida. Florida was once an entirely Dixie state. Then Northerners migrated here and caused Southern dominance to be less in magnitude. I would still include all of Florida in the South, regardless of what anybody says or tries to prove. Too much contradictory historical evidence, and again, i've been to the statement more times than I've been to Ohio, which is what I like to call my second home state. Why dont' we just go ahead and include Southern Florida in the northeast while we're at it? Given the fact it has a tropical climate, palm trees, undeniable ties to the Confederacy because it seceded, and that I have heard more than enough Southern accents throughout florida, I guess I'll have to conclude Florida is a half in the North. The only reason Florida has any Northern elements to it at all is because Northerners migrated there. Take them away, and you've got nothing but Southerness everywhere you look.
I live in Florida now and the northern influences are greater than you think. The first town I lived in was Palm Coast. It was planned out by a group from New York City and most of its residents are from NYC/NJ. Where I live now, Sarasota, is a mecca for midwesterners and midwestern retirees. I'm not kidding here, I think I've never heard a southern accent while living in Palm Coast or Sarasota. Cape Coral was the brain child of midwestern transplants. Also alot of Florida cities mayors and council members are transplants too.
Clearly Florida is a southern state, but the whole state was basically built from the resources of northern transplants, which makes it different from the other southern states. I am looking at Florida today, not during the Civil War.
They typically are but a vast majority of people do not realize that the Appalachian range actually goes up so far into Canada. Liz
True.
I grew up just on the fringes of Appalachia in upstate NY (yes, a few counties do extend into southern NY), but the official definition set by the ARC does not include New England. I could understand that because New England does not share anything common with the coal mining communities of Appalchia (speech patterns, culture, etc.), but there are some isolated pockets of Applachian-like poverty in parts of the region though.
Most people think of Appalachia as the states of KY, TN, WV, VA, sometimes PA.
I grew up just on the fringes of Appalachia in upstate NY (yes, a few counties do extend into southern NY), but the official definition set by the ARC does not include New England. I could understand that because New England does not share anything common with the coal mining communities of Appalchia (speech patterns, culture, etc.), but there are some isolated pockets of Applachian-like poverty in parts of the region though.
Most people think of Appalachia as the states of KY, TN, WV, VA, sometimes PA.
The Blue Ridge Parkway, when it was built in the 30s, displaced a lot of people. It also gave them jobs , so , it was a double edged sword. Jobs , were the intended, and the displacement of people north and south affected the demographics. Most of the early settlers , were , of Scottish decent. They were very independent. Their involvement in the Revolutionary war , and the Civil war , was substantial. These people , then , and as well today ( those that are left), are quite different , than the typical Southerner.
I live in Florida now and the northern influences are greater than you think. The first town I lived in was Palm Coast. It was planned out by a group from New York City and most of its residents are from NYC/NJ. Where I live now, Sarasota, is a mecca for midwesterners and midwestern retirees. I'm not kidding here, I think I've never heard a southern accent while living in Palm Coast or Sarasota. Cape Coral was the brain child of midwestern transplants. Also alot of Florida cities mayors and council members are transplants too.
Clearly Florida is a southern state, but the whole state was basically built from the resources of northern transplants, which makes it different from the other southern states. I am looking at Florida today, not during the Civil War.
I refer to Sarasota and SW FL as Michigan South!
Just outside Sarasota is a place called Florida. Give it a look sometime !
Some of the largest cattle ranches in the country !.
I really hope no one acctually thinks that Old Virginia is no a southern state do your home work and know your history im from the Shenandoah Valley we still have confederate parades to commemorate the south; Furthermore, more Virginias died for the south than in any other state not to mention is was the capital! So I must protest brothers Virginia has and always will be apart of the south!
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